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Since I was only 10 yesrs old during the 1982 vintage and was too young to purchase wine, I believe that I have found the one vintage that at least has warranted the hype as the '82 I am going out on a limb to state that with my 2005 purchases, at least those that I could afford, hopefully will match up to the stellar '82's. NOw the pricing..well I guess time will tell and I will report back in 25 years...
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You know, if you price out what you can buy some of the 1982 bordeaux for these days, they cost about the same as the 2005s.
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I’m still learning, but one thing I do know is Bordeaux’s are my favorite and the 2005’s are no exception. While I can’t afford a first growth of any vintage, I am finding many 05’s I really like and that are reasonably priced @ $20-$50/bottle, some even less. I wonder how the 2005 vintage was for the wines listed in the “Les Crus Artisans du Medoc”. It seems to me these should decent wines that are not overly priced. Does anybody here know?
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correct you are Rothko..and other vintages in the 80's which I am slowly starting to collect |
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 Confused syntax. You introduce a subordinate clause but it's not clear what the subject is. I didn't know you were such a Bordeaux hound. This is a real bargain: https://www.b-21.com/prodinfo.asp?number=FX05CHEVCE It's why I don't buy Bordeaux. |
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It is not always advisable to end a sentence with "is".   *********************** "I have drunk not to the clouding of my reason, but just so much that I can still surely distinguish the syllables with my tongue." Athenaeus |
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Greg I am curious as to why you won't buy Bordeaux because Cheval Blanc is expensive. Do you pass on California wines because of Screaming Eagle? Do you not buy Burgundy due to DRC? What about Rhones with La Mouline or wines from Italy with Masetto priced so high. Note to Mike... You are right, 05 is our 82, except 05 is a better vintage. In 05, more Chateau are producing better wine and most of the top 05's are stronger than the wines produced in 82. |
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In terms of spectacular wines like the standouts from 82 (vs. the broad success across the board for 05 resulting in plenty of delicious wines), any recent opinion on the top 10 or 15 2005's that might have a chance of becoming legends, particularly anything that might be considered 'affordable'? "No TV and no beer make Homer...something, something" |
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I agree with your reasoning, Mareff. 2005 is a vintage where I am relatively young, can spend some money to buy and enjoy these wines in 15-20-25 years down the road and I too believe it is one of the greatest vintages in recent times, somewhat comparable with 2000 but me thinks better than 1982. *********************** "I have drunk not to the clouding of my reason, but just so much that I can still surely distinguish the syllables with my tongue." Athenaeus |
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Based on tasting the wines numerous times, for me, the best wines came from the Right Bank, especially St. Emilion. In 15 years, my bet is, wines like Troplong Mondot, Angelus, Larcis Ducasse, Pavie, Bellevue Mondotte, Pavie Decesse, L'Eglise Clinet and others will be legends. At the top of the stack is Ausone which produced the wine of the vintage and possibly the decade. There are some very special Left Bank wines as well. But for me, the stars of the vintage are from St. Emilion. The wines truly express a great style with stunning purity. They have the concentration and stuffing to evolve and develop for 30-50 years allowing wine lovers the chance to enjoy some of the finest tasting experiences mature Bordeaux can deliver! |
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maybe Greg T is upset because he did not purchase any. I do know that his cellar has some awesome spanish vino |
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Posted by Mimik:
OK. I'll recast the sentence - "It is not easy to discern the subject." Pomerollvr - As far as not buying because of Cheval Blanc, maybe it wasn't clear. The price of Cheval Blanc is over $1000 a bottle most places. In Bordeaux, prices at the top end tend to pull up the prices at the lower end, except for the very lowest end. Bordeaux pricing is not based on cost and in fact, for the top wines, isn't related at all to costs. It's simply based on profit maximization. I don't have any problem with that or with the desire of the wine producers to make as much money as they can. But I don't feel the need to contribute my dollars if I can find wine that pleases me as much and costs less. I purchased futures in 2000 and even in 2001 for some Sauternes, but then I started wondering why and absolutely swore off once they released the 2005 prices. I've had sufficient quantities of various older Bordeaux to understand what to expect and to know that for my palate, I can be perfectly happy, or even happier, with other wine. I'm totally uninterested in competing for bottles with buyers from China or Russia or India or anywhere who want to pay more. Ausone is a case in point. I thought it was expensive a few years ago when it was $200 a bottle. At the current price, I just don't understand it at all. L'Eglise Clinet as well. More than either of those, the wine I've loved most was l'Evangile. I paid what I thought was a lot for the 1989 and 1990, but in relative terms, it was far less than the price today and I can't see ever buying it again. Ditto many wines from Napa frankly. You've tasted plenty of older wines, and a new wine with no track record has to be significantly better than Monte Bello to justify a price that is two or three times as much. Because someone invests a fortune in a vineyard and consultants doesn't mean I need to help him amortize the investment. Mike's a friend and I was breaking his horns a little bit. I'm sure he's had plenty of older Bordeaux and really loves them and isn't going to invest anything based only on critic ratings. And of course, as I have told him many times, no grape produces wine that ages as well as tempranillo . . . This message has been edited. Last edited by: GregT, |
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Classic....That is why I love the world of wine...well stated.... |
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Unico Vega Sicilia |
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whoa, tooooooooo expensive....how about something a little more down to earth my canadian/US friend.... |
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Alion, Clos Mogador. There are several, actually, worth cellaring for some time. |
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Except that Clos Mogador doesn't have any tempranillo in it. |
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 You are correct. Numanthia then.  |
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A Clos Mogador sure does sound good.
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Mike - Alion is made by Vega Sicilia from younger vines than the Unico, but they make it with the same care and attention. You've had the 1996 and probably the 1994. Moving into Rioja, Contino Gran Reserva ages gloriously. If you can possibly find a 1982 today, or a 1981, try them. First time I had the 1982 was in a blind tasting of classified Bordeaux where someone put it in as a ringer.
Toro is different. Maurodos, Numanthia-Termes, Dos Victorias, Compania Telmo Rodriguez, Estancia Piedra, Dos Victorias are all worth looking at. Don't know about aging some of them yet. Numanthia has only been made since the late 1990s so I haven't had any with serious age. But the Eguren brothers are great winemakers and have a new venture now anyway, so check into that. In Rioja they make Sierra Cantabria, San Vincente and Viñedos de Paganos, all worth a look. Vega Sicilia makes Pintia in Toro, same issue - no record yet. Doesn't matter though, my money is on San Roman. It's better and cheaper and the winemaker is superb. However, for proven age-worthy wines, I'd look first to Rioja and Ribera del Duero. Areas like Priorat I'd bet against, areas like Toro and Bierzo I'd take a chance on, and areas like Rioja and RdD I've already placed my money on. Some of these are pricey. If you want, I'll give you a list of proven bets that won't break the bank. |
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