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Hmmm. At what age do you figure one's taste buds go?



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From most scientific work I've seen published, for the majority of males, a slow decline seems to noticeably start around age 60 with the curve becoming more severe in the late 60s. For woman it doesn't seem to start as badly until around 65.

There are exceptions, of course, and the research was done on the general population, not specific groups. Maybe if we stay in good conditions ezercising those our taste buds regularily we will beat the odds. In all honestly though at may still young age (58,)I'm questioning spending a lot of money on expensive wines to be drank in a decade plus. My father, which loved wine, at age 75 couldn't discern much difference between a 1st Growth and a shitty merlot! By 80, he didn't care for much more than a sip just to be socialable. I'm not sure he was tasting much at 70 from comments he often made.
 
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I've experienced similar feedback from D's father (now in his early 80s). We opened a D'Yquem for him a couple of years ago and it was lost on him. However, a couple of months ago, he found the '03 Numanthia literally lip-smacking good.

It's the complete unpredictable nature of the extremes of aging that makes me just a little cautious going too far out. I don't think of cellar full of expensive wines in my 80s is likely the most prudent plan.
 
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Thanks. How old is Robert Parker by the way?



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I picked up some more 07 Pegau reservee. I also picked up the regular bottlings of Clos St Jean, Cristia and Usseglio so I have some 07 that I can drink earlier than my other 07 purchases.
 
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Thanks. How old is Robert Parker by the way?


62


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Picked up some Clos Des Papes CDP, Charvin and Jean Royer
 
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From pre arrival order 2/09

-Autard Juline
-Vieux Donjon
-Clos de Papes

BTW, Lingual taste "buds" do become less sensitive but at varying rates in individuals and w/r to type, more than other factors
[eg sweetness, bitterness].

However remember, much of the sense of gustation is actually olfactory, so aromas play a more important role in "taste" as we age.
 
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Originally posted by Sandy Fitzgerald:
I wish I was as young as thirstyman! Frown


Don't feel bad Sandy - I have a knee that is older than you!
 
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From most scientific work I've seen published, for the majority of males, a slow decline seems to noticeably start around age 60 with the curve becoming more severe in the late 60s. For woman it doesn't seem to start as badly until around 65.

There are exceptions, of course, and the research was done on the general population, not specific groups. Maybe if we stay in good conditions ezercising those our taste buds regularily we will beat the odds. In all honestly though at may still young age (58,)I'm questioning spending a lot of money on expensive wines to be drank in a decade plus. My father, which loved wine, at age 75 couldn't discern much difference between a 1st Growth and a shitty merlot! By 80, he didn't care for much more than a sip just to be socialable. I'm not sure he was tasting much at 70 from comments he often made.


I never even thought about this, only thinking about the ultimate end instead. 60 is less than 12 years away for me. That's it, no 2007 CdP for me other than for pop and pour hedonistic delight.
 
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I'll be buying Beaucastel and Pegau Reservee for sure. I'm interested in Bois de Boursan and possibly Vieux Donjon too, but haven't made up my mind yet. There are simply too many "great" vintages from interesting regions on the market right now (which is a great thing!) for me to put too many eggs in one basket.
 
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Thanks Dr. Tannin;

I forgot to mention that the importance of the ole snotter. Often the nose does go first, which dramatically affects taste. Smoking plays a heavy negative role, along with living in urban environs. Seems all that pollution and nasual smells emitted in the metro areas is much harder on the nose than sniffing cow manure regularly.
 
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I just added 2 Domaine Grand Veneur CdP VVs....
 
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Recently picked up Vieux Telegraphe. Giraud Grenaches de Pierre and Olivier Hillaire les Petits Pieds d'Armand
 
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My attraction to the '07 vintage is that it is likely one that we can enjoy through the years. Not a Purchase-n-Bury vintage. I'll buy the '07s (they get released early November here). Just no more new releases of Beaucastel for me.
 
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My attraction to the '07 vintage is that it is likely one that we can enjoy through the years. Not a Purchase-n-Bury vintage. I'll buy the '07s (they get released early November here). Just no more new releases of Beaucastel for me.


Can you get what you want in Canada or is it more of a wait-and-see kind of thing?
 
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Most of what I have read on 07 CdPs indicates that these wines will not shut down (or if they do - it will be for a very short period of time). It seems that many people are treating this as the "great" vintage to drink while you wait on 05... I hope to be drinking mine for the next 30 years. I am thinking of opening one of the St. Prefert Girauds to see where it is. I have probably only had two or three CdPs this close to bottling - most others already had 5+ years on them.

Right now I am looking for good value CdPs to keep me from drinking the beaucastels and other nicer CdPs until they are mature!
 
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Originally posted by KSC02:
My attraction to the '07 vintage is that it is likely one that we can enjoy through the years. Not a Purchase-n-Bury vintage. I'll buy the '07s (they get released early November here). Just no more new releases of Beaucastel for me.


Can you get what you want in Canada or is it more of a wait-and-see kind of thing?

Most producers are available (either directly or through private importers).
You can be certain that all of the big wines are available and for very fair pricing.
The big question is how many will be available to each person. This depends generally on how many people are in line that morning. Line-ups are common for the most popular wines and rationing/limits-per-buyer are also very, very common.
 
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Originally posted by thirsty man:
I am thinking of opening one of the St. Prefert Girauds to see where it is.


Already into your son's stash?? Razz Big Grin Please post notes if you open one.

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Originally posted by thirsty man:
Right now I am looking for good value CdPs to keep me from drinking the beaucastels and other nicer CdPs until they are mature!


Les Cailloux
Pierre Usseglio
Clos St. Jean - People on eBob are going nuts over this.
Clos du Mont Olivet
Lucien Barrot & Fils

Most of these can be found for $30 or less. You could always grab some Gigondas or Cotes du Rhone too.
 
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Already into your son's stash??


my stash that I drink when I think of how cute and quiet he used to be.... My brain is saying wait 10 years - my liver is saying you have 24 try one now......
 
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Added earlier this week - 11 Hillaire CdP @ $28.50 (plus shipping) and 12 Clos St. Jean CdPs @ $29.99 (all in)
 
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haven't made up my mind yet. There are simply too many "great" vintages from interesting regions on the market right now (which is a great thing!) for me to put too many eggs in one basket.[/QUOTE]

Seems like every region is having vintage of the century - Rhone 07, Bordeaux 09, Oz 09, Pied/Tusc 04/05 etc. etc... I wonder how much is accurate or an attempt to stimulate sales.
 
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Completely agree. There is just so much good Chateauenuf out there in the pipeline, much of will has been and will be discounted, that I am not interested in chasing the 2007s - especially at their current asking prices. Same could be said about Bordeaux in 08 and 09, etc.
 
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Recently picked up the 2007 Domaine Giraud Tradition.
 
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To be honest I tend to put my money into the Rhone when Bordeaux is an off vintage!

Over recent years I have bought such producers as Rene Rostaing, Vieux Telegraph & Pierre Usseglio.

Although I'm told this year the Rhone vintage is not its best!
 
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