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Posts: 803 | Location: Montréal, Canada | Registered: Dec 19, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Saw a 1979 Diamond Creek Cabernet Sauvignon Red Rock Terrace on Cellaraiders website for 85$. Can't find a way to estime the shipping cost to NY state though.

Does it seem to be a deal or a great oppotunity ? 79 is my birth year...

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That's not a bad price. You'll see these '79-85 (minus the '84) DC's pop up at auction in the $60 range. So, considering the premium, it brings it close to the price you posted.

I say go for it. Those older DC's are awesome wines.
 
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As I wrote earlier this summer, I was lucky enough to acquire a Dunn Howell Mountain '87 for my wife and my 25th anniversary...

We had the man himself Randy Dunn sign the bottle, whilst admiring the pristine condition of the bottle just prior to having it opened at the French Laundry the next day for a once in a lifetime experience...

My CellarTracker notes below from June 29:

The high-point of the evening, opening our 25th Anniversary wine at the French Laundry, we had our bottle signed by Randy Dunn at a visit to the vineyard the day before and Kristina Dunn informed us that the Sommelier team from the Restaurant had been by a few weeks before to try their wines and that they would be stoked to open the '87 for us, Sommelier Dennis Kelly confirmed their visit, and we all laughed at Randy Dunn's 'crusty' reputation, which I confirmed when Mr. Dunn asked me what the French Laundry would be charging us for corkage ($75), Dennis got a laugh out of this as well, truly memorable and the wine was close to perfection - Dark with only slight ambering rim, full bodied with a nose of dusty black and blue fruit, cigar box, green leaf tobacco, mocha and vanilla, AMAZING structure for a 25 year old Cali Cab, completely integrated, soft, silky smooth on the palate with a finish that went on forever, still years left in this beauty, extraordinary! (98 Points). (1332 views)

Good times..

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Nice TN Ian Smile

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Is a 1988 Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley at 60$ a better purchase than the 1979 Diamond Creek Red Rock Terrace at 85$ ?

There is many Dunn on jjbuckley at really good price. Is this retailer better than Cellaraider ?

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Is a 1988 Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon Napa Valley at 60$ a better purchase than the 1979 Diamond Creek Red Rock Terrace at 85$ ?

There is many Dunn on jjbuckley at really good price. Is this retailer better than Cellaraider ?

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They're both good choices at an aggressive price point, but I would still side with the DC. I'm saying that, and Dunn is my favorite domestic producer.

The '88 Dunn Napa is indeed a nice wine, but it pales in comparison to the Howell Mountain of the same vintage. The HM can be had routinely at auction < $60 (plus the premium).

I've bought from both JJ Buckley & Cellraiders. They've never done me wrong.
 
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Is the 2000 Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon (not the HM) a better buy than the 1988 Dunn ?

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No, I'd go with the '88.
 
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Shane T killed it. Killed it!

I also agree about Spottswoode.

From your list, don't take any specific advice - try to get samples of all of them as you go and see which best matches your palate.

Taking one comment here and potentially missing a wine you would have loved would be the real bummer.

Out of 'historial interest,' try the Groth reserve, Caymus regular and SS, Silverado cabs of the day, and from that era you could maybe land on a Flora Springs Trilogy, Cain Five, Hess reserve, Far Niente, Mayacamus, or some Heitz; just to get a feel for how things were.

Heck....Johnson Turnbull from that time, Sequoia Grove, Berringer reserve, some of Rombauer's Le Meilleur du Chai, and Duckhorn may please you, as well!


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Will try to have a more generic experience trying more than one wine. Still looking to buy online and ship it somewhere near the US border where I can grab it after...which is not always easy. Should have couple bottles to try at the beginning of 2013 Smile

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I know they have a checkered reputation, but Acker lists some older Cali cab lots at very attractive prices....and you could pop down and pick it up in person!

Grab one of their auction catalogs or hit the online listing!


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I use to buy 80's bdx and 80's and 90's CA cabs at auction for experimentation and to share. These were from Winebid, Winecommune and some retailers. I think I had a 30% + experience of corked and flawed bottles. I don't buy older bottles any more.


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I use to buy 80's bdx and 80's and 90's CA cabs at auction for experimentation and to share. These were from Winebid, Winecommune and some retailers. I think I had a 30% + experience of corked and flawed bottles. I don't buy older bottles any more.


That is very odd, but the wine/bottle was corked the very day the cork went into said bottle.
 
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Finally ordered some 'older' cali-cab:

1979 Diamond Creek Red Rock Terrace (my YOB)
1981 Diamond Creek Volcanic Hill (my wife YOB)
1992 Grgich Hills Cabernet Sauvignon

Can't wait to open one !



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1979 Diamond Creek Red Rock Terrace (my YOB)

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1979 Diamond Creek Red Rock Terrace (my YOB)

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Finally ordered some 'older' cali-cab:

1979 Diamond Creek Red Rock Terrace (my YOB)
1981 Diamond Creek Volcanic Hill (my wife YOB)
1992 Grgich Hills Cabernet Sauvignon

Can't wait to open one !


I received them today. All great fills and labels in pretty good shape. Will open the 79 first, will have the 81 this fall with my wife Wink

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I'm currently looking to buy cabernet-sauvignon based wines from California made in the 90s. I've seen these
Mondavi... '79 &'91 Reserve very nice



The '79 from a mag blew my skirt up!
 
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as did the '75
 
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Originally posted by dzitt:
Finally ordered some 'older' cali-cab:

1979 Diamond Creek Red Rock Terrace (my YOB)
1981 Diamond Creek Volcanic Hill (my wife YOB)
1992 Grgich Hills Cabernet Sauvignon

Can't wait to open one !


I received them today. All great fills and labels in pretty good shape. Will open the 79 first, will have the 81 this fall with my wife Wink

http://i262.photobucket.com/al...tite_zps137b91cf.jpg


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Montelena, Mondavi Reserve and Spottswoode, can't go wrong with any of these.
 
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Looking to buy again some older Cali-Cab. Which one over these should I consider most ?

1992 Diamond Creek Volcanic Hill
1993 Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon
1998 Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon
1999 Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon



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Also saw a 1987 Dunn Cabernet Sauvignon for the same price as the 1992 Diamond Creek...



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diamond creek > dunn in my opinion


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