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Anything from Loring. They make Mollydooker look tame by comparison. I guess this style is for somebody...whoever that somebody is.

I can understand the jab at Seasmoke. However, I've had a lot of luck with their "Ten." I can't think of a better SB Pinot.

And if by "Controversial," you mean "Crappy," I would say 99.5% of the plonk coming out of my neck of the woods (Temecula) ranks pretty high on the list.
 
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Coppola wines. I keep thinking they should be better than they are.


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Never tried one, but there are quite the variety of opinions on the wines from Frank Cornelissen
 
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New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc


There's no controversy there... we all know they're not good Ack
 
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Castelgiocondo- can go from wonderful to meh


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2008 Schild
the wines of Brunellogate


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New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc


There's no controversy there... we all know they're not good Ack


Well, at least you and I know it. I prefer my grapefruit juice from Florida.


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Long Island Merlot
 
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Never tried one, but there are quite the variety of opinions on the wines from Frank Cornelissen


One problem with Cornelissen wines is the enormous variability and need for constant cool storage. I've had some that were quite good, and some that tasted more like compost tea than wine.

At least Gravner and Radikon are reasonably consistent, though not to many's taste.

Anything ultra ripe and fruit forward is bound to be controversial these days, even as they continue to sell like crazy.
 
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Long Island Merlot


Not much controversy there unless you work for one of the wineries pumping out that "stuff."


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Anything from S. Africa.
Some people think they make exciting and interesting wines.
Some others think that they make mostly plonk.

(I'm in the second category)


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What do you think of Josko Gravner wines?


I drank a bottle of the 2004 Gravner Ribolla Anfora 9 months ago and man that was a weird one. I really couldn't figure out what I was tasting and even though the finish was incredibly long, I still didn't care for it. Must be an acquired taste.
 
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Anything from Loring. They make Mollydooker look tame by comparison. I guess this style is for somebody...whoever that somebody is.

I can understand the jab at Seasmoke. However, I've had a lot of luck with their "Ten." I can't think of a better SB Pinot.
I have only tried a few Lorings and they are not made in a style that I enjoy, but both Mollydooker and Seasmoke seemed waaaayyy more over the top the few times I’ve tried them.
 
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New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc


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Well, at least you and I know it. I prefer my grapefruit juice from Florida.


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Silver Oak


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Anything from Loring. They make Mollydooker look tame by comparison. I guess this style is for somebody...whoever that somebody is.

I can understand the jab at Seasmoke. However, I've had a lot of luck with their "Ten." I can't think of a better SB Pinot.
I have only tried a few Lorings and they are not made in a style that I enjoy, but both Mollydooker and Seasmoke seemed waaaayyy more over the top the few times I’ve tried them.


I've purchased some Loring in the past (might still have a bottle) and I didn't enjoy them as early drinkers. But, I've found them fairly enjoyable with 5-7 years on them. I've only had one Seasmoke (can't remember bottling, but not the Ten) and found it way over the top and unenjoyable.


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Silver Oak


I was going to say this as many on the boards pan it. The two couples in my small wine group love it, and I respect their palates (though don't always agree with them). I can only remember tasting one Silver Oak, though might have had it one other time. It was very young and very oaky. My wine group also doesn't like Brunello, but I do.

One wine I've never been blown away by is Barolo. Now I've never had a top notch one or one well aged, and I've enjoyed the ones I've had but never a Wow moment. I've actually had much better luck with Barbaresco and have had some that were very, very good.


“Appreciating old wine is like making love to a very old lady. It is possible. It can even be enjoyable. But it requires a bit of imagination.”

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Anything from S. Africa.
Some people think they make exciting and interesting wines.
Some others think that they make mostly plonk.

(I'm in the second category)


Me too.


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Castelgiocondo- can go from wonderful to meh

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The first two I thought of were, Josko Gravner wines....

I still recall the Gravner opened in DC some years back. Was that brought by Lentini or Festiva? I think Festiva. But the wine, I can almost taste it still. Adobe clay tiles. So very unique. I loved it.
 
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SQN. People either love it, or hate it.


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Originally posted by Shane T.:
Anything from Loring. They make Mollydooker look tame by comparison. I guess this style is for somebody...whoever that somebody is.

I can understand the jab at Seasmoke. However, I've had a lot of luck with their "Ten." I can't think of a better SB Pinot.
I have only tried a few Lorings and they are not made in a style that I enjoy, but both Mollydooker and Seasmoke seemed waaaayyy more over the top the few times I’ve tried them.


I've purchased some Loring in the past (might still have a bottle) and I didn't enjoy them as early drinkers. But, I've found them fairly enjoyable with 5-7 years on them. I've only had one Seasmoke (can't remember bottling, but not the Ten) and found it way over the top and unenjoyable.


Well, I guess the different views on each of these producers establish exactly what the OP mentioned: Controversy.

I'm actually a fan of some of the bigger domestic Chards out there, like Kistler, Aubert, etc. But tasting Loring's "Durell Vineyard" was like melting butter on a 2x4, then sticking it in a blender.
 
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Originally posted by Shane T.:
Anything from Loring. They make Mollydooker look tame by comparison. I guess this style is for somebody...whoever that somebody is.

I can understand the jab at Seasmoke. However, I've had a lot of luck with their "Ten." I can't think of a better SB Pinot.
I have only tried a few Lorings and they are not made in a style that I enjoy, but both Mollydooker and Seasmoke seemed waaaayyy more over the top the few times I’ve tried them.


I've purchased some Loring in the past (might still have a bottle) and I didn't enjoy them as early drinkers. But, I've found them fairly enjoyable with 5-7 years on them. I've only had one Seasmoke (can't remember bottling, but not the Ten) and found it way over the top and unenjoyable.


Well, I guess the different views on each of these producers establish exactly what the OP mentioned: Controversy.

I'm actually a fan of some of the bigger domestic Chards out there, like Kistler, Aubert, etc. But tasting Loring's "Durell Vineyard" was like melting butter on a 2x4, then sticking it in a blender.


I've never had Loring Chards. I was speaking of his Pinots. I will say I don't seek his Pinots out nor much in the way of Calif. Pinot, preferring to explore Burgundy with those dollars as well as buy Oregon PN. I do have a few Pali Pinot left from I believe the first vintage that I'm trying to drink through. I believe those were made by Loring. They've all been pretty good, but not great QPRs.


“Appreciating old wine is like making love to a very old lady. It is possible. It can even be enjoyable. But it requires a bit of imagination.”

Andre Tchelistcheff
 
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