Clearly ready for drinking now. Would allow to breath, then enjoy. I bought enough to drink AND hold. After you try it, I believe that you will agree. Hope that you enjoy. Would love to hear your comments.
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My recommendation for the best 2005 Bordeaux value= 2005 Baron de Rothschild Speciale Lafite. Bought a bottle (then every case they had) for $12.99. If you can find it, try it. Superb
I found this at my local, so I picked one up. Now, are you recommening drink or hold? As I understood it, the 2005 Bordauex is a hold item.
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Posts: 77 | Location: Charlotte, North Carolina | Registered: Dec 31, 2007
Originally posted by Graz: Clearly ready for drinking now. Would allow to breath, then enjoy. I bought enough to drink AND hold. After you try it, I believe that you will agree. Hope that you enjoy. Would love to hear your comments.
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Originally posted by Rodeo360:
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My recommendation for the best 2005 Bordeaux value= 2005 Baron de Rothschild Speciale Lafite. Bought a bottle (then every case they had) for $12.99. If you can find it, try it. Superb
I found this at my local, so I picked one up. Now, are you recommening drink or hold? As I understood it, the 2005 Bordauex is a hold item.
I will report back ASAP.
I also picked up a 2005 La Mothe Du Barry have you heard anythingabout that?
Have not heard of that one. Always open to good and cheap Bordeaux. BTW: will be drinking another of the Rothschild this evening. If any different, I will let you know.
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Originally posted by Rodeo360:
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Originally posted by Graz: Clearly ready for drinking now. Would allow to breath, then enjoy. I bought enough to drink AND hold. After you try it, I believe that you will agree. Hope that you enjoy. Would love to hear your comments.
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Originally posted by Rodeo360:
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My recommendation for the best 2005 Bordeaux value= 2005 Baron de Rothschild Speciale Lafite. Bought a bottle (then every case they had) for $12.99. If you can find it, try it. Superb
I found this at my local, so I picked one up. Now, are you recommening drink or hold? As I understood it, the 2005 Bordauex is a hold item.
I will report back ASAP.
I also picked up a 2005 La Mothe Du Barry have you heard anythingabout that?
"The 8th grade was the best four years of my life".
Posts: 77 | Location: Charlotte, North Carolina | Registered: Dec 31, 2007
Ooh, ooh, the '05's are starting to show-up in my local stores, they're starting to show up in local stores! Getting excited, with urges to splurge. Must...be...patient. Must...resist...temp-tation...to...buy...more...
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I think it's gonna be awhile before the 2005 futures come in from premier cru so I'm going to wait awhile. I've already bought Some Reignac and Beaulieu Comtes de Tastes though for early Qpr.
Posts: 5206 | Location: minneapolis minnesota usa | Registered: Dec 17, 2003
"Beaulieu Comtes de Tastes" - can you tell me a little about this wine? I just bought a mixed case of it - 2003 and 2004 vintages on a friends recommendation. He is one of those guys that can make a good recommendation - but cannot explain what the wine tastes like. He used descriptors like "fruit - you know grapes - but not bad fruit..."
But it's not good for drinking now, imho, despite JS describing the overall Bordeaux vintage as wonderful now or later (to paraphrase). I think the '05 Malmaison is a hold for 2-3 years before drinking. And then with air. It needs to come together a bit.
The '03 and '00 (with air) drink wonderfully now. I never saw an '04 on the market... I'd like to try that. ('02 was thin and not so good.)
Posts: 3178 | Location: Alexandria, VA, USA | Registered: Oct 29, 2003
Originally posted by mpls wine guy: I think it's gonna be awhile before the 2005 futures come in from premier cru so I'm going to wait awhile. I've already bought Some Reignac and Beaulieu Comtes de Tastes though for early Qpr.
Remind me again where you are teaching linguistics?
Originally posted by mpls wine guy: I think it's gonna be awhile before the 2005 futures come in from premier cru so I'm going to wait awhile. I've already bought Some Reignac and Beaulieu Comtes de Tastes though for early Qpr.
I did pop one of the Comtes de Tastes and will hold my other six for at least 3-4 years before I pop another. Still early drinking for an 05 bordeaux.
Posts: 1400 | Location: Jersey City | Registered: Feb 22, 2006
I was in Los Angeles the other day and went into a wine shop and noticed a number of good value 2005s still around. $30 for Puygueraud and Caronne-Ste.-Gemme are a good deal indeed. Anyone buying stuff like that?
I picked up some Mongravey and Pipeau this past week, but will be on the look out for the Puygueraud and Caronne-Ste.-Gemme. If you ever make it down a little farther south to San Diego, let's pop some corks!
James Suckling said: I was in Los Angeles the other day and went into a wine shop and noticed a number of good value 2005s still around. $30 for Puygueraud and Caronne-Ste.-Gemme are a good deal indeed. Anyone buying stuff like that?
I think there are lots of good 2005s around at good prices, but lots more at ridiculously-inflated prices.
$30 for Puygueraud and Caronne Ste Gemme is the latter IMO. I've bought Caronne within the past few weeks for $13.99 off-the-shelf.
Similarly, I purchased Puygueraud a month ago for $15/bottle, again off the shelf...
If you ask me $30/bottle for either of these is practically criminal!
With the value of the dollar and price of oil it's all affected Bordeaux 05 and other. Total Wine just raised their prices through the roof....MOST 30-40%. I love Bordeaux, but to charge $37 for Baron de Brane? (last week it was $25 a bottle).
There is very few affordable Bordeaux left. Bertinat Lartigue ($17.99) is one of the only quality Bordeaux I've found that's good. My usuals....Haut Bage Liberal, Dauzac, Segla....all $10-$20 a bottle HIGHER then 2 months ago. UUUUHHHHHHGGGG
Just had the 2003 and 2005 Château Gigault cuvee with steak over the weekend. Liked both, but think that the 2005 will be a better wine. It is not as "up front" and seem a little more complex. Bought two cases of the 03 a couple of years ago for around $13-14. I have about a case left. I think i can still get the 2005 for about $18. I will seek it out. Give it a try - Good QPR IMHO.
You are a savvy Bordeaux buyer indeed!! - James Suckling
Posts: 364 | Location: Ponte Vedra Beach, FL | Registered: Aug 13, 2002
Originally posted by James Suckling: Lucky you. I would still pay $30 for those wines. What do you get from California for $30?
I don't buy CA cabernet very frequently as I prefer Bordeaux stylistically.
Rather than spend $30/bottle on '05 CSG or Puygueraud I'd probably look elsewhere in Europe or select classed Bordeaux from good years such as 2001, 2002, 2004. For example 2004 Lafon Rochet is $29, Malescot is $36, Duhart Milon is $35, etc.
I understand the US currency exchange rate is having some impact on all this, but clearly there's some pretty hefty (excessive) profit-taking involved when someone is selling those wines for $30.
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I was in Los Angeles the other day and went into a wine shop and noticed a number of good value 2005s still around. $30 for Puygueraud and Caronne-Ste.-Gemme are a good deal indeed. Anyone buying stuff like that?
I've seen very little 2005 Bordeaux thus far in Chicago on the shelf. I did buy the above listed on futures along with several other well priced wines. Faugeres, Fombrauge, Beau Site, La Croix du Casse, Belgrave, Senejac and many many others. My biggest problem is that I need to drink my 2001 and 2002 to make room.
The business practices at Total Wine are sickening. I don't even bother thinking about purchasing bordeaux from them anymore. Every 6 months they raise their prices 30-40%. It's an easy way to drive away customers. I've found a couple of other good LWS's that don't do business like them.
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Originally posted by cablover123: With the value of the dollar and price of oil it's all affected Bordeaux 05 and other. Total Wine just raised their prices through the roof....MOST 30-40%. I love Bordeaux, but to charge $37 for Baron de Brane? (last week it was $25 a bottle).
There is very few affordable Bordeaux left. Bertinat Lartigue ($17.99) is one of the only quality Bordeaux I've found that's good. My usuals....Haut Bage Liberal, Dauzac, Segla....all $10-$20 a bottle HIGHER then 2 months ago. UUUUHHHHHHGGGG
Originally posted by James Suckling: Lucky you. I would still pay $30 for those wines. What do you get from California for $30?
That explains why I buy Merlot and Cabernet from Bordeaux more so than California. But when something cost $14 and it goes up to $30....91 points and thinking about California is a small consolation.
It also goes directly to the heart of the real problem with Bordeaux's aggressive pricing. When even Bordeaux's minor chateaus are being sold for 2x their normal price, clearly one has to question the conventional (and often repeated) wisdom about the value Bordeaux offers once you get beyond the classed growths and their peers in Pessac, Pomerol, and St Emilion...
One might contend that the exorbitant price increases in the top 15 or so has a spillover that drives a rising tide across the board. One would hope that the journalist side of the wine industry would be a bit more critical...
