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I am in here Bordeaux tasting 1,000 2005 Bordeaux from bottle. There are some fabulous wines. Just curious if you bought some. And, if so, what?
 
Posts: 969 | Registered: Dec 10, 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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What are your favorites so far? I passed on futures but will probably buy some of this and that once they're out on the marketplace.


So much wine.....so little time!!!
 
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Your colleague, James Molesworth, successfully convinced me that I needed to buy a boatload of '05 CNDP. As a result, I have no money to spend on Bordeaux. Frown

That being said, I have been tempted by Leoville Barton and Pontet-Canet. If they shouldn't be missed, maybe I could make it happen. How are the Sauternes shaping up?
 
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I've purchased NO 2005 Bordeaux. Due to pricing, I've been focusing on earlier vintages for the First and Second Growths. '05 (in general) is just too rich for my blood. For now, it's a 'pass'.
 
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Thanks for the comments. I can't tell you my favorites. You will have to read the magazine! I just tasted 12 Sauternes about five minutes ago and they are shaping up just fine -- between 2001 and 2003 in style. AS FAR AS PRICES, THAT IS A GROSS OVERSTATMENT THAT ALL 2005S ARE TOO EXPENSIVE . There will be 100s of very good to outstanding wines for between $30 and $60 a bottle in 2005 Bordeaux. But, yes, the first growths are insanely expensive.
 
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Thanks for the comments. I can't tell you my favorites. You will have to read the magazine! I just tasted 12 Sauternes about five minutes ago and they are shaping up just fine -- between 2001 and 2003 in style. AS FAR AS PRICES, THAT IS A GROSS OVERSTATMENT THAT ALL 2005S ARE TOO EXPENSIVE . There will be 100s of very good to outstanding wines for between $30 and $60 a bottle in 2005 Bordeaux. But, yes, the first growths are insanely expensive.


I promised myself that 2003 would be my last major en primeur Bordeaux purchase on the grounds of age so when 2005 came around I confined myself to 2 minor wines: Dame de Montrose and de Fonbel both of which I expect to be able to drink well within 10 years. I look forward to your report.
 
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James, here is a list of 05 futures I bought:
Quinault L'Enclos
Brane-Cantenac
Haut-Bergey
Monbousquet
L'Arrosee
Smith Haut Lafite
Clos St. Martin
Boyd Cantenac
Petit Bocq
Caronne Ste. Gemme
Tour St. Bonnet
Mylord
Lanessan
Pontet Canet
Barde Haut
d'Issan
Rouget
Pavie Macquin
Lafon Rochet
Haut Bages Liberal
Haut Bailley
Clos Du Marquis
Domaine de Chevalier
La Croix de Beaucaillou
Michel Rolland Cuvee No. 1

BTW...James....I bought these a year ago already, so most have seen some good price jumps already.

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You went large! Case of each?
 
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You went large! Case of each?


About 7 of them are full cases....the rest were 3-6 bottles per.....some were mags also.


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AS FAR AS PRICES, THAT IS A GROSS OVERSTATMENT THAT ALL 2005S ARE TOO EXPENSIVE . There will be 100s of very good to outstanding wines for between $30 and $60 a bottle in 2005 Bordeaux. But, yes, the first growths are insanely expensive.

I agree, claiming that ALL '05's are too expensive would indeed be an unfair, "wide brush stroke", assertion. My comment focused indeed on First, and in many cases, Second Growths. I'm being very cautious about this vintage, desiring some guidance, per reports such as your upcoming. Looking forward to it.

Like Nigel, I'm another that will generally focus on wines requiring less aging from this vintage forward.
 
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I can't tell you my favorites. You will have to read the magazine!


Oh...come on...you can throw us a bone or two. A little love for the forums never hurt anyone. We promise to read the magazine when it comes out.


So much wine.....so little time!!!
 
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James, I bought a case of Malescot, and half a case each of Haut-Bages-Liberal and Malmaison. 6 half bottles of Doisy-Daene. 3 mags of Ponet Cantet.

When is your report coming out?
 
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I can't tell you my favorites. You will have to read the magazine!


Can you give us your impressions of each region, or even left versus right bank, or even if they're all THAT good across the entire region.

I bought a lot of '03s and given the price level of the '05 firsts and seconds, I pretty much passed. I did however, buy some '05 Pavie and Macquin. Compared to the firsts, these looked like bargains, even though they were twice the price of the '03s.

Oh, I forgot the '05 Rieussec's that I bought too. Still too many bargains out there with the '03s to go big on the '05s yet.
 
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I agree with the sentiment above- 05 is not overpriced across the board. I bought a few cases on futures and IMO I got some good values.

Now, 2006, that's a different story! Talk about overpriced! I'm afraid the vintage is overpriced from top to bottom for 2006, but much of that is also due to the strength of the euro.


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After all the hoopla dies down I'll go to premiercru.net and see if I can get some good value still from the 2005 vintage bordeaux. Like wines I bought from the 2003 vintage amongst others. However there might not be alot left. Razz
 
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Being a Bordeaux futures newbie I bought one case of 2005 Chateau Malmaison based on you potential score James. Hopefully it turns out as well as you thought it might.

Anyways, keep up the good work. I enjoy reading you blog postings.
 
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James,

First off, thanks for your continued participation in the forums with us "commoners," Wink.

Anyways, I've bought these 2005 futures, all half or full cases:

Ch. Leoville Poyferre
Ch. Bahans
Ch. Duhart-Milon
Ch. Petit Bocq

I'm probably most excited by the Poyferre, as it's they've been picking up steam in recent years.

Cheers,


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Rieussec
Ducru Beaucaillou
Leoville Barton

A bottle of each. We just got in Lascombes. 04 was $45. 05 is nearly $100.


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James after first being hesitant I eventually bought big on 2005. I picked up a few big names but mainly good value wines.
Caronne St. Gemme
Marquis d'Alesme Becker
Cap de Faugeres
Boyd Cantenac
Haut Bergey
Fombrauge
La Tour Carnet
Beau Site
....and many others. Probably my most complete futures campaign. Almost 10 cases worth from over 7 different stores.
 
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Very little. I have better things to do with my money. The prices are simply ridiculous, at least for the better wines, and I have no interest in the others.


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I stuck with a few perennial staples in 2005:

Talbot
Guiraud
Lynch-Bages
Léoville-Barton
Pontet-Canet
 
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I bought a case of 2005 Leoville Poyferre - any notes on that?


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I consulted the initial ratings of both RP and JS and found what I consider safe bets. Cases of Lagrange, Boyd Cantenac and Haut Bages Liberal and a half case of Bahans. Wish I had gotten some pavillon rouge.
 
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Dead Horse.

Let us talk about these in 15-20 years when we are drinking them. All kinds of dummies get caught up in buying for the sake of buying. I even remember seeing people wanting to sell their 2000s they had been holding onto so they could buy 2005s.
Confused Roll Eyes


A more interesting discussion would be selling the 2007 vintage at those new high prices.
 
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d'Aiguilhe Querre
Bellisle Mondotte
Boyd-Cantenac
Caronne Ste. Gemme
Haut-Bages Libéral
La Clotte
Malmaison
Pipeau
Puygueraud
Smith Haut Lafitte


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