2005 Pahlmeyer pinot (NOT the Jayson) $95
2005 Shafer One Point Five $90
2001 Monbousquet $90 (I know, a little pricey but 4 years age)
2003 Egelhoff $82.50
2005 Shafer Merlot $52.50
2002 Penfolds RWT $87.50
1998 Lehmann Stonewell Shiraz $82.50

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Originally posted by inky:
2005 Pahlmeyer pinot (NOT the Jayson) $95
2005 Shafer One Point Five $90
2001 Monbousquet $90 (I know, a little pricey but 4 years age)
2003 Egelhoff $82.50
2005 Shafer Merlot $52.50
2002 Penfolds RWT $87.50
1998 Lehmann Stonewell Shiraz $82.50

I would go with the Shafer 1.5 or Monbousquet, though I recall you're not a big CaliCab fan. Which restaurant, Cafe Maxx?

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Originally posted by vinole:

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Originally posted by inky:
2005 Pahlmeyer pinot (NOT the Jayson) $95
2005 Shafer One Point Five $90
2001 Monbousquet $90 (I know, a little pricey but 4 years age)
2003 Egelhoff $82.50
2005 Shafer Merlot $52.50
2002 Penfolds RWT $87.50
1998 Lehmann Stonewell Shiraz $82.50

I would go with the Shafer 1.5 or Monbousquet, though I recall you're not a big CaliCab fan. Which restaurant, Cafe Maxx?

Yes, going to see Darrell & Ollie...Shafer is one of the few that I usually enjoy, not usually overripe and not pure fruit forward, plus the SLD character, though I haven't had their 1.5 yet. Seems as if they trimmed some of their list for the summer special...

I'd go for the Shafer 1.5

Go with the Shafer merlot. Won't need the extended decant of the 1.5 (although that will still be nice with air). DO NOT do the RWT. Nowhere close to ready - it is one of DnVsMom's wines, and while it will be fantastic in a few years, now it not the time....

Yep,

Retracting my earlier RWT thumbs up. I remembered how good I thought it was when I've tried it, but went over old notes, and I'd thought it needed time. Still, the price is great for a restaurant list, and it wouldn't be a felony, just a misdemeanor to have it this young. .

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Originally posted by inky:
2005 Pahlmeyer pinot (NOT the Jayson) $95
2005 Shafer One Point Five $90
2001 Monbousquet $90 (I know, a little pricey but 4 years age)
2003 Egelhoff $82.50
2005 Shafer Merlot $52.50
2002 Penfolds RWT $87.50
1998 Lehmann Stonewell Shiraz $82.50

What are you eating?

Hard to pick without that info for me, but there are two choices I could strike pretty easily.

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by inky:
2005 Pahlmeyer pinot (NOT the Jayson) $95
2005 Shafer One Point Five $90
2001 Monbousquet $90 (I know, a little pricey but 4 years age)
2003 Egelhoff $82.50
2005 Shafer Merlot $52.50
2002 Penfolds RWT $87.50
1998 Lehmann Stonewell Shiraz $82.50

What are you eating?

Hard to pick without that info for me, but there are two choices I could strike pretty easily.

either veal chop milanese or a red meat (lamb/beef/game)

I think all of these are under the retail price here.

I'd do the Shafer 1.5 too, their cabs are always great.

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Originally posted by Dunder:
I think all of these are under the retail price here.

I'd do the Shafer 1.5 too, their cabs are always great.

I just checked out the restaurant's wine list -- Inky is getting these at half off.

Inky, if you get the veal, I would order the 2001 Braida Barbera d'Asti Ai Suma. Great stuff. Personally, for me, that is the way I would go regardless, actually.

1.5 for sure!

Ditto on the Shafer 1.5. I've seen it at the wine shop but havn't had the guts to pull the trigger on it. For that price at a restaurant would be a good time to pull the trigger.

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Originally posted by inky:

What are you eating?

Hard to pick without that info for me, but there are two choices I could strike pretty easily. [/QUOTE]
either veal chop milanese or a red meat (lamb/beef/game)[/QUOTE]


inky, winetarelli is on to something.

I like his choice FAR more for the Milanese, and do not like any off of the list for this dish.

As for beef, lamb or game... which one? Impossible to pick a wine without knowing what it is paired with imo.

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Originally posted by wine+art:
inky, winetarelli is on to something.

I like his choice FAR more for the Milanese, and do not like any off of the list for this dish.

As for beef, lamb or game... which one? Impossible to pick a wine without knowing what it is paired with imo.

Here is there menu...

inky,

Veal (either) --> Barbera, but the 1.5 could woth with the grilled chop if you really really wanted
Lamb --> Barbera, but both the 1.5 and the Pinot are ok
Duck --> Pinot is the better pairing, but the Barbera could work. Don't even think about a Bordeaux varietal or a (yikes!) Shiraz.

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Originally posted by winetarelli:

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Originally posted by wine+art:
inky, winetarelli is on to something.

I like his choice FAR more for the Milanese, and do not like any off of the list for this dish.

As for beef, lamb or game... which one? Impossible to pick a wine without knowing what it is paired with imo.

Here is there menu...

inky,

Veal (either) --> Barbera, but the 1.5 could woth with the grilled chop if you really really wanted
Lamb --> Barbera, but both the 1.5 and the Pinot are ok
Duck --> Pinot is the better pairing, but the Barbera could work. Don't even think about a Bordeaux varietal or a (yikes!) Shiraz.

You seem to like Barbera, which unlike Sangiovese isn't the worst grape grown in Italy, but I'd think of 18 other grapes I'd enjoy with Lamb, before I'd choose Barbera. Granted, the recipes would differ, but I'd never recommend such a pedestrian grape. Heck, Tempranillo would be better than that...we are talking meat with some fat right?

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Originally posted by Chilepepper:

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Originally posted by winetarelli:

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Originally posted by wine+art:
inky, winetarelli is on to something.

I like his choice FAR more for the Milanese, and do not like any off of the list for this dish.

As for beef, lamb or game... which one? Impossible to pick a wine without knowing what it is paired with imo.

Here is there menu...

inky,

Veal (either) --> Barbera, but the 1.5 could woth with the grilled chop if you really really wanted
Lamb --> Barbera, but both the 1.5 and the Pinot are ok
Duck --> Pinot is the better pairing, but the Barbera could work. Don't even think about a Bordeaux varietal or a (yikes!) Shiraz.

You seem to like Barbera, which unlike Sangiovese isn't the worst grape grown in Italy, but I'd think of 18 other grapes I'd enjoy with Lamb, before I'd choose Barbera. Granted, the recipes would differ, but I'd never recommend such a pedestrian grape. Heck, Tempranillo would be better than that...we are talking meat with some fat right?

I was referencing the specific list which has an awesome Barbera on it in the right price range.

My favorite wine with veal chops, generally, is Barolo, with a rack of lamb, generally, is Cote Rotie.

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Originally posted by winetarelli:

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Originally posted by Chilepepper:

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Originally posted by winetarelli:

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Originally posted by wine+art:
inky, winetarelli is on to something.

I like his choice FAR more for the Milanese, and do not like any off of the list for this dish.

As for beef, lamb or game... which one? Impossible to pick a wine without knowing what it is paired with imo.

Here is there menu...

inky,

Veal (either) --> Barbera, but the 1.5 could woth with the grilled chop if you really really wanted
Lamb --> Barbera, but both the 1.5 and the Pinot are ok
Duck --> Pinot is the better pairing, but the Barbera could work. Don't even think about a Bordeaux varietal or a (yikes!) Shiraz.

You seem to like Barbera, which unlike Sangiovese isn't the worst grape grown in Italy, but I'd think of 18 other grapes I'd enjoy with Lamb, before I'd choose Barbera. Granted, the recipes would differ, but I'd never recommend such a pedestrian grape. Heck, Tempranillo would be better than that...we are talking meat with some fat right?

I was referencing the specific list which has an awesome Barbera on it in the right price range.

My favorite wine with veal chops, generally, is Barolo, with a rack of lamb, generally, is Cote Rotie.

Yea and I'd take 1.5 if its grilled over Barbera anyday

I'm with you on the CR with Lamb but would only serve Barolo to my ex-wife cause she deserves it!

Go with either of the Shafers!

Thanks for all the input. I know there are some great Italian wines on the list, but as some of you know, I am not a huge fan of them )although, yes, I have had some outstanding ones). I did have the veal but when you know the chef/owner/waiter at the restaurant, you can can some "preferential" treatment. The veal was done slightly diferent for me, and not in the san marzano ragu it mentioned. Also had the mac-n-cheese, very yummy. I went with the one point five (the guest who was with us wanted a cab). Upon opening, pure young SLD character with the classic dusty tannins. After an hour in the decanter, this is an awesome wine. A baby Hillside, with what should be a long, improving life. This is definitely worth the retail price in comparison to thers in its pricepoint. WAY BETTER than the Caymus that some have quoted as being better. This was the essence of SLD.

For those in the area, the wine was half off because from July 1 to October 1, all wine are 50% off Sunday thru Friday (except for the ones you see on the last page, which actually are not on the "main" list. You have to know about it and ask for it separately. That list was part of what is left of a huge private collection they purchased early this year).

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