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Originally posted by indybob:

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Originally posted by lizardking:

For those who don't eat red meat, what do you pair with your cabs and merlots?

I often drink them on their own, as Alta does. I'm not big on pairing, but find that grilled portabellas, or a good hearty veg. chili goes great with a lot of bolder reds like Cabernet.

indybob,

So realistically besides hardy cheese and/or red meat, there isn't much else to pair Cabs with? Mushrooms or a good hearty veg. chili...really?

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Nope. At least not according to the USDA.

ad verecundiam x 1

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Twice nope'd, WEc!

ad verecundiam x 2

Sancho,

Heck, I dunno. Pairing isn't my thing, and I don't stress about it. But I've enjoyed Cabernet with all manner of foods, including Chile Rellenos, meatless lasagne with Bechamel sauce, Cioppino (San Francisco seafood stew), and on and on. I(t) can overpower most fish, but that hasn't stopped me from trying (and liking) the pairing. Lots of folks will tell you that without a steak, a Cabernet is wasted. See what works for you, that's the most important thing. If steak/cabernet is your holy grail, then enjoy!

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Originally posted by indybob:

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Twice nope'd, WEc! Beat me to it, indybob.

PH

No worries, always nice to have backup.

Might as well. ad populum!

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Originally posted by WEc:
Might as well. ad populum!

Hey, I try (usually, ).

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Originally posted by WEc:

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Nope. At least not according to the USDA.

ad verecundiam x 1

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Twice nope'd, WEc!

ad verecundiam x 2

I'm confused, WEc. Are you asserting that the USDA and their Canadian counterpart aren't authorities in the classification of meat?

PH

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Originally posted by indybob:
I can overpower most fish,

Wow, so a veggie diet makes you that strong? How about Great Whites?

HA!!! We're gonna need a bigger boat! Nice catch.

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:

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Originally posted by WEc:

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Nope. At least not according to the USDA.

ad verecundiam x 1

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Twice nope'd, WEc!

ad verecundiam x 2

I'm confused, WEc. Are you asserting that the USDA and their Canadian counterpart aren't authorities in the classification of meat?

PH

Sure, the USDA and the Canadian board are authorities in the classification of meat. But it is not clear to me that the term red meat when tossed around in conversation is actually associated to the classification. For all I know, red meat are two english words and hence I could equally appeal to the OED ( here) which clearly states:
red meat, dark-coloured meat, as beef or lamb (as opposed to chicken, veal, etc.)

Beyond this, there are two variations of ad verecundiam fallacies but they take on the same logical forms where subject X is an expert in the field Y.
X is an expert in Y.
X says A.
Therefore A.

The difference is whether the statement A, itself, is relevant to the field of Y. Of course, in the absence of this relevance, this fallacy is immediate (i.e., drink Pepsi cause Michael Jackson endorses it) but even in the event that A is relevant to Y, this is still a fallacy (The chief economist at the Bank of ABC said that interest rates will fall and so therefore interest rates will fall!)

If the veal was allowed to grow up, would not the resulting meat be red?

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Originally posted by VT2IT:
If the veal was allowed to grow up, would not the resulting meat be red?

If you allowed the egg to hatch wouldn't the resulting meat be poultry?

OK, so I try to limit my red meat to 2 meals per week. That includes meat in sauces, chinese food, RB sandwiches etc. I feel that I'm able to keep this average, sometimes things can't be helped and I'll have more, but I'm good at cutting back the next week to keep that average.

My question is what other foods do you eat with big red wines? It seems like the amount of red wine so far out numbers the foods that you can eat with it. Pinot is a bit more versatile obviously. Other than beef and lamb dishes and red sauced italian foods, what other foods do you drink cabs, merlots and their counterparts with?

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Originally posted by WEc:
The difference is whether the statement A, itself, is relevant to the field of Y. Of course, in the absence of this relevance, this fallacy is immediate (i.e., drink Pepsi cause Michael Jackson endorses it) but even in the event that A is relevant to Y, this is still a fallacy (The chief economist at the Bank of ABC said that interest rates will fall and so therefore interest rates will fall!)

Then it would also hold that it would be a fallacy when WEc says, "Pork and veal are not red meats." If I'm going to look to an authority in the classification of meat, it ain't going to be either WEc or the OED!!

PH

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Originally posted by Aja1:
OK, so I try to limit my red meat to 2 meals per week. That includes meat in sauces, chinese food, RB sandwiches etc. I feel that I'm able to keep this average, sometimes things can't be helped and I'll have more, but I'm good at cutting back the next week to keep that average.

My question is what other foods do you eat with big red wines? It seems like the amount of red wine so far out numbers the foods that you can eat with it. Pinot is a bit more versatile obviously. Other than beef and lamb dishes and red sauced italian foods, what other foods do you drink cabs, merlots and their counterparts with?

Veal.

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:

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Originally posted by WEc:
The difference is whether the statement A, itself, is relevant to the field of Y. Of course, in the absence of this relevance, this fallacy is immediate (i.e., drink Pepsi cause Michael Jackson endorses it) but even in the event that A is relevant to Y, this is still a fallacy (The chief economist at the Bank of ABC said that interest rates will fall and so therefore interest rates will fall!)

Then it would also hold that it would be a fallacy when WEc says, "Pork and veal are not red meats." If I'm going to look to an authority in the classification of meat, it ain't going to be either WEc or the OED!!

PH

This, is perhaps one of your more commendable posts as opposed to the frat boy behavior you sometimes exhibit.

FWIW, siding with the USDA interpretation of red meat is almost akin to answering the doctor's questionnaire truthfully. I am known to be a victim of irrational rationalizations.

Veal.[/QUOTE]


That's red meat in my book...sadly.

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Originally posted by Aja1:
Veal.

That's red meat in my book...sadly.[/QUOTE]

Aja1,

I do believe that there is no ad verecundiam in your statement. Your assertion is valid, for yourself ("in my book"). As regard to who is the ultimate authority on veal (red meat or not red meat), that’s seems to be up for grabs. Anyhow, I do not think that there is much of a choice of food to pair with Cab or any bold red, but red meat.

I eat cow about twice a month.

I eat chicken probably 3 times a week.

The other meals are either turkey, fish, or vegetarian type dishes.

Don't eat pork. Exotics on occasion (ostrich, buffalo etc) maybe twice a year.

I'm currently reading the Omnivore's Dilemma. As a result, I'm seriously thinking of switching to grass fed cow instead of corn fed cows.

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Originally posted by tanglenet:

I'm currently reading the Omnivore's Dilemma.

I'm reading that, too. I think it's time to boycott corn. And ethanol? There's some pork for you. It takes more gasoline to produce than you get usable fuel in return. By the way, just try to find bread or bagels without high-fructose corn syrup. It's nice to know that our representatives in congress have found a way to subsidize the addition of gratuitous calories in our diet.

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Originally posted by Spenser:

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Originally posted by tanglenet:

I'm currently reading the Omnivore's Dilemma.

I'm reading that, too. I think it's time to boycott corn. And ethanol? There's some pork for you. It takes more gasoline to produce than you get usable fuel in return. By the way, just try to find bread or bagels without high-fructose corn syrup. It's nice to know that our representatives in congress have found a way to subsidize the addition of gratuitous calories in our diet.

I'm still on the section on corn. Pretty enlightening and frightening reading.

At Whole Foods out here, you can buy bread without the corn additives.

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Originally posted by Spenser:
By the way, just try to find bread or bagels without high-fructose corn syrup.

Finding bread with HFCS isn't too bad but I've found that even if you've read the label of one brand of bread and found that it did not have HFCS in it, the next time you buy it it may. It's kind of frustrating to me that I need to read the label every time. Bagels aren't a problem for me - I buy them from a local Jewish bagel shop that makes them on premises. It seems that buns are impossible to find without HFCS.

Since it seems few of you are eating red meat, I started wondering what it is you do eat. So, I tallied up the main protein dishes(when I could tell) in the latest 'What's for dinner?' thread. My findings:

Beef 22
Seafood 17
Lamb 7
Fowl 7
Pork 6
Veal 2
Rabbit 1
Spam 1 (thanks Bella)

It seem there is a little more beef eatin' going on than I would have anticipated from reading this thread.

Certainly not an exhaustive study, but food for thought.