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Is it fair to say that French Wines are far more tannic than California wines?

I have had a Syrah and a Saint Emilion recently and while different varitels they had a similar almost sour quality.

I had a Louis Jadot Pouilly Fuisse that also seemed more sour than California Chardonays.

I liked the Pouilly Fuisse for a change of pace but I found the red wines to be unpleasant. Is this the tannins?
 
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Similar concerns from fellow forumite were addressed by me in a memo found here.
 
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Uh Thanks Grunhauser,
So that is what I am tasting.
 
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Exactement. Soyez conseillé! Il est très provoquant une dépendance.
 
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Exsctly. I have been counselled. It will provoke my dependence.

Is that some sort of insult?
 
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Is that some sort of insult?



I don't know. What do you think?
 
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Don't fret....some french wines tend to be a bit more acidic, which can be interpreted as "sour". Try some from the Cote du Rhone, which can be a bit bigger (sometimes) , and more "new world" in flavor. Not always, though.


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Is that some sort of insult?



I don't know. What do you think?


For a second I thought in a round about way you were saying I like the smell/taste of French Men's testes. But then I thought Grunhaser would not say a thing like that, impossible. Something must have gotten lost in translation.
 
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Spo,
Don't fret....some french wines tend to be a bit more acidic, which can be interpreted as "sour". Try some from the Cote du Rhone, which can be a bit bigger (sometimes) , and more "new world" in flavor. Not always, though.


Are the Cotes Du Rhone wines usually a blend of Syrah, Mouvedre, Grenache?
 
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For a second I thought in a round about way you were saying I like the smell/taste of French Men's testes.



Confused Your initial post suggested otherwise and that's exactly what I was pointing out. The Frenchman's testes profile found in Old World wines is not for everyone.



p.s. May I suggest CdR Villages? For a few dollars more you will discover that these are some of the best value wines from France - complex, full of individuality, very terroir driven and so excellent with food (meats and cheeses).

My favorites for reds - Cairanne, Vinsobres, Valreas. I like white CdR even more, but they are hard to find here.

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p.s. May I suggest CdR Villages? For a few dollars more you will discover that these are some of the best value wines from France - complex, full of individuality, very terroir driven and so excellent with food (meats and cheeses).

My favorites for reds - Cairanne, Vinsombres, Valreas. I like white CdR even more, but they are hard to find here.


I am always open to suggestions.

The local beverages and more had Cotes du Rhone ranging from $8-$20. Some of the ones they offered were Luois Bernard (a red and a white), Guigal, Chateau de Segries and Grandes Serres. Are you familiar with any of these?

There is a nicer wine shop in San Diego, I may head over there to find some of the ones you reccomended. All the same let me know if you are familiar with any of the ones I listed and if they are any good.
 
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Head to San Diego.

p.s. btw, I'm ashamed to admit Eek but I just noticed I wrote Vinsombres, when in fact the village name is Vinsobres. Red Face
Look for Domaine Gramenon.
 
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Head to San Diego.

p.s. btw, I'm ashamed to admit Eek but I just noticed I wrote Vinsombres, when in fact the village name is Vinsobres. Red Face
Look for Domaine Gramenon.


I googled the mispelt Vinsombres w/o the Cotes du Rhone and found a vacation place in France with a pretty sweet pool. I was thinking that Grunhauser has a wild sense of humour. http://www.cassitrans.com/page.php?lang=fr&agence_id=90...ction_reference.html

If I cannot find the Vinsobres locally, a ton of online retailers have it at a reasonable price $13-$17. Probably best to wait for the wheather to cool at the end of October. I will let you know how it turns out.
 
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Are the Cotes Du Rhone wines usually a blend of Syrah, Mouvedre, Grenache?


Most of the time, yes. However, they can be all kinds of wild blends, especially if you get into some of the chataneuf du papes. Try the Guigal wines, and let us know what you think.


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Comparing French wine to Californian is a gross generalization. If you consider that in Hugh Johnson and Jancis Robinson's World Atlas of Wine one hundred pages ares dedicated to France (over one third of the pages for regions) and less than thirty devoted to the whole of North America you can see the problem.

France's wine-making is incredibly diverse and would take a lifetime to cover. In the South there are wines you can find alcoholic fruit bombs that would make Australians blush. In Alsace you can find delicate dry whites and even in the beast of Bordeaux there is an immense diversity covering stringent Sauvignon Blancs, botrytised Semillons, plummy Merlots and savage Cabs. Not even mentioning the classic blends that make it one of the greatest wine regions in the World.

What I'm saying is: try some other stuff.


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Comparing French wine to Californian is a gross generalization. If you consider that in Hugh Johnson and Jancis Robinson's World Atlas of Wine one hundred pages ares dedicated to France (over one third of the pages for regions) and less than thirty devoted to the whole of North America you can see the problem.

France's wine-making is incredibly diverse and would take a lifetime to cover. In the South there are wines you can find alcoholic fruit bombs that would make Australians blush. In Alsace you can find delicate dry whites and even in the beast of Bordeaux there is an immense diversity covering stringent Sauvignon Blancs, botrytised Semillons, plummy Merlots and savage Cabs. Not even mentioning the classic blends that make it one of the greatest wine regions in the World.

What I'm saying is: try some other stuff.


Well put KillerB. France has so many wine regions and even within each region you can get a wide variation in styles and blends. There are sooooo many amazing French wines that it is not fair to generalize them as all tannic or more tannic than California.

As a side note: When I first started drinking wine I thought all sweet wines were terrible. Actually I was just drinking crappy sweet wine. Then I went to Bordeaux and tried some Sauternes and wow was that an eye opener Eek

Do what KillerB recommends and try lots different wines. It is amazing what is out there.

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obviously, we are all talking gross generalizations here. The original question was if there were French wines that tended to be a bit less acidic (in a round-a-bout way), I was just replying with one example of French wines that fit this profile.


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when in fact the village name is Vinsobres. Red Face
Look for Domaine Gramenon.


Grun,

Is this one ok. The Gramenon is $85.00.
 
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There are cheaper Gramenons. The one you refer to is from 100 year old vines, so yeah, it's gonna cost.

Your choice is fine. And I found another one for you to try - Gourgazaud Minervois.

Both are good to drink now. Don't serve them too warm, expecially the CdR. Have fun.


p.s. Gourgazaud Viognier. Wink Wink
 
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p.s. Gourgazaud Viognier. Wink Wink


Is that a white Cotes Du Rhone?

And thanks for lending your expertise.
 
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Vin de Pays, but don't let that discourage you. Here's some info.
 
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It's 5pm and I'm still working hard....I can kill for a glass of that Viogner right now.
 
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So Grun,

I take that you prefer that smell of Frenchman's testes in the wine you drink?
 
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So Grun,

I take that...


You take it Doc, and you run with it to meet the horizon.
 
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