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I wouldn't despise anyone for the sake of his or her birthplace. As long as he or she is able to pronounce Puligny Montrachet Les Clavoillons without too much hesitation.
 
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And back on topic. I'm sorry to say it's not Himenez.
The word begins with the gutteral Kh for which I've been mocked before on this forum. Germanics and Hispanics will understand.
 
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Puligny Montrachet Les Clavoillons


Easy as pie:

Po'-Lie-Knee Moan-Trash-It Less Klav-Oil-Ons


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Up to the age of forty eating is beneficial. After forty, wine.
The Talmud, 200BC
 
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You are indeed a great American.
 
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Originally posted by Noto Bene:
I think that the final word in this should be Freddie Mercury of Queen, who in the song "Killer Queen", pronounced it Moet as in Poet. I'm kinda glad I skipped out of those grade 8 classes Cool


...and the Beastie Boys followed suit with Hold it Now, Hit it!
 
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well many years ago I had this stand up argument with a friend of a friend glaring argument I said Moet and she said Moay the bet was a MAGNUM of said delish drop.

So, I emailed Moet et Chandon and their response was pronounced : M-wet

straight from the horses mouth.
 
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I would like to clear up this common misconception.

Moët is pronounced with a "t". Although the wine is made in France and Claude Moët lived in France his name, Moet is pronounced with a "t" as the Moët family can trace its origins to a Dutch soldier named LeClerc who fought along side Joan of Arc in fending off English attempts at preventing the crowning of Charles VII. As a reward for his service, the King changed his name to Moët.
 
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Neither T in Montrachet is pronounced.

How do you pronounce Healdsburg?


Irwin

Unless you're the lead sled dog, the view never changes.


 
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That's easy.

'elds-boa-argh.
 
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How do you pronounce Abo, Markus?
And, what is up with Kicker?


Irwin

Unless you're the lead sled dog, the view never changes.


 
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Kicker's fine and still kicking!

Incidentally, and entirely through serendipity, we now work in the same corporation, seated only one hall apart. Smile

Heck, how to explain the pronounciation? Åbo would be pronounced AW-bu or at least pretty close to that. The precise vowel sound of the Swedish 'o' does not exist in English, except for in some British dialects. Similar to Spanish 'u'. 'Å' simply sounds like the English word 'awe', and means river.
 
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Wink wink Irwin! I´m busy working, while Markus seems to have all the time in the world over in his room... ;-)
 
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Kicker:
How is your child? Must be 1 or 2 yrs old by now!


Irwin

Unless you're the lead sled dog, the view never changes.


 
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uglyduckling wrote: "I said Moet and she said Moay the bet was a MAGNUM of said delish drop"

you're right UgDuck, but it's not delish, (at least the entry level ones) it hasn't been rated well in major champagne dinners for a few years now. I would rather not drink it frankly and would never EVER pay for it.


"Work is the curse of the drinking class" - Oscar Wilde
 
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irwin wrote "Neither T in Montrachet is pronounced"
um, yes, the first one is, but oh so gently and sexily!


"Work is the curse of the drinking class" - Oscar Wilde
 
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Hey, Markus, admit. Swedish is a bit like Danish.
A very easy language to learn, as assures me my Danish collaborator: you pronounce everything exactly the way you write it down.

Except you don't pronounce about fifty percent of the consonants and you never pronounce a vowel like decent people would do.

And now ... back to the Moët!
Let's not forget they produce Dom Perignon too. Pay ree ñ õ.
 
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Right, this is getting a tad boring.

Am I perhaps correct in assuming the vast majority here are from North America? If so, you're cool, funny, inventive folk, I love you to BITS, really, but you can't pronounce sh**. Which isn't a problem, (within the USA). Outwith though, and sadly (I take NO pleasure in this) the world laughs, and laughs, and laughs at you. (And not only when you try to be punks or attempt to recite Monty Python sketches or pronounce Iraq, Saddam, blah, blah etc. etc.) That's not nice, or cuddly, but it IS understandable.

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Rik wrote: "Let's not forget they produce Dom Perignon too. Pay ree ñ õ."


Sorry Rik, you're close but no cigar buddy. (speaking of cigars, why do Americans put the wrong emphasis on cigarETTE?)It's French for feck's sake, the emphasis goes on the LAST syllable monkey-boy!).

Anyway, back to the Dom. It's more like PEAR, (or PEH for you Yanks and many of we Irish who over-emphasize our Rs) with a a breathy H. It can never be PAY.

The REE is more like RIH (with a gently rolled rrrr)and the end is like the GN in Gnochhi, which makes an NY sound, as in "nya nya!" so, NYOhhhn - imagine the Hs fading into an implied but still (if barely) mouthed N.

Dom PEH-rrin-nyohhhhh(n).

OK, I should go and learn phonetic notation.
And I should eat too. I have a bottle of Linda Domas' "Vis a Vis" waiting for me.
Salut.

PS: Remember my vinous mantra:
"Jacob's Creek? If grapes could piss!"
(It works for E&J Gallo's muck too)


"Work is the curse of the drinking class" - Oscar Wilde
 
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Lucky for me, Matthk, I don't smoke.
And of course the "pay ree whatever", with the emphasis on "pay", was my way of laughing at the anglosaxon phonetics. Don't forget: almost 50% of our population speaks French, Dom Perignon has no secrets here!

Phonetics that have to refer to the Scottish "ach" when explaining the pronunciation of our g's and ch's, poorly circumscribed as "kh". A joke of course, because they can't pronounce "ach" in the first place.
 
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Rik,

you are absolutly right about Swedish. The spelling is heinous. Danish and Swedish are also very close, and in general we understand each other fairly well in our languages. The main difference between the two languages is really that in order to speak Danish you need to have a hot potato in your mouth.

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My cousin tried to teach me some Swedish. When I learned that the spelling was--well--English-like, I got rather discouraged.
 
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How about a pronounciation for D'Yquem?

And with Cos D'Estournel, I've heard that the Cos is pronounced "Koss" rather than "Coh" as you would expect. Is that right?
 
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Bordeaux Pronunciation Guide

I guess even the French are confused about how to pronounce the Cos in Cos d'Estournel. I learned a lot from this little thing.
 
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Again it's a question of langue d'oc against langue d'oïl: the southern half against the northern half of France.

Oop norf they would say "Coh".
The Southerners (and the people in Saint-Estèphe) would say "Coss". They tend to pronounce all their end-consonants.
Since the latter are the people who make the wine, I would suggest to pronounce the s.

What's difficult about Yquem? It's just "eekém".

And, Markus, I'll tell my friend here about the hot potato. I guess he'll agree because his ancesters are Swedish and he's already explained that the Svensk sing when they speak (probably his observation of someone speaking with an empty mouth).

Have a nice weekend all.
 
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Irwin -
He´s doing really great, and will turn three in September! But with both my job and him, I have my hands quite full... :-D
 
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Rik,

His right, the Swedes sing when they talk. I speak fenno-swedish which means I don't sing, merely insult. Wink
 
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