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If you want to know more about Carmenere from Chile, you have to read about the first wine promotion called "Carmenere Adventure 2005 - U.S.A." that will be visiting more than 15 cities along the U.S., so we hope to see you around in the first motorcycle trip from Chile.

CITIES IN THE TOUR:
San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Napa Valley, Glandale, Portland, Seattle, Boise, Salt Lake City, Denver, Wichita, Dallas, New Orleans, Orlando, Miami, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Cleveland, WDC, Cheshire (Connecticut), Boston, Wiscasset (Maine), hasta llegar a New York City.

http://www.andeswines.cl/raiz/english.php?subaction=sho...&start_from=&ucat=3&

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I reccomend the airhawk inflatable seat cushion if your riding up from Chile.


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just wanted to say that I recently tried casillero del diablo's carmenere, and I think this may be my favorite wine that they make. had all the meaty, peppery jamminess of their cab sav and merlot, but with a unique velvity creaminess that was absolutely fantastic. dunno how much of this is characteristic of the grape, or just c del d in particular. we primarily drink chilean wines here, as there is more selection of them than cali or aussie wines. that's all, just wanted to recommend the ol' devil's cellar carmenere to anyone who hasn't tried it yet.
 
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I concur on the Casillero del Diablo Carmenere. Good wine for a great price. It was my first of the variety, I'll definately be trying other labels.


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I'm gonna stick with merlot :P

Seriously though, I wonder how many merlot plants are mixed in with Carmenere and vise versa in Chile.

I believe that for years they were mixed and or one was thought to be the other etc.

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You're right, VinoMiko.
You can read about it in Hugh Johnson's Wine Guides.

Halfway the nineties, they found out.
Two possibilities: keep it a secret and go on selling it as merlot (until it eventually would turn up) or: launching carmenère as THE Chilian wine grape.

The latter was chosen.
And great wine came of it.
 
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Originally posted by darthtrumpet:
just wanted to say that I recently tried casillero del diablo's carmenere, and I think this may be my favorite wine that they make. had all the meaty, peppery jamminess of their cab sav and merlot, but with a unique velvity creaminess that was absolutely fantastic. dunno how much of this is characteristic of the grape, or just c del d in particular. we primarily drink chilean wines here, as there is more selection of them than cali or aussie wines. that's all, just wanted to recommend the ol' devil's cellar carmenere to anyone who hasn't tried it yet.


I concur with the devil on this one. Also, if you can find it, check out the Vina Montgras Carmenere. It's a couple bucks more than the Casillero, but also very much worth it.


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I bought some Carmanere based on your testimonials. I hope it is not Merlot's evil twin that tastes like Merlot only nastier.
 
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If that's your opinion about merlot, spo1977, I think you've been fishing in the wrong pond. A Californian one, perhaps?
 
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Originally posted by Rik:
If that's your opinion about merlot, spo1977, I think you've been fishing in the wrong pond. A Californian one, perhaps?


You got it. I should fish elsewhere I take it.
 
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Actually the Carmenere Dilemma can be checked here: http://www.andeswines.cl/raiz/english.php?subaction=sho...&start_from=&ucat=3&

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I recommend you the De Martino Carmenere also.
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Originally posted by darthtrumpet:
just wanted to say that I recently tried casillero del diablo's carmenere, and I think this may be my favorite wine that they make. had all the meaty, peppery jamminess of their cab sav and merlot, but with a unique velvity creaminess that was absolutely fantastic. dunno how much of this is characteristic of the grape, or just c del d in particular. we primarily drink chilean wines here, as there is more selection of them than cali or aussie wines. that's all, just wanted to recommend the ol' devil's cellar carmenere to anyone who hasn't tried it yet.


I concur with the devil on this one. Also, if you can find it, check out the Vina Montgras Carmenere. It's a couple bucks more than the Casillero, but also very much worth it.
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I told you guys and gals before.
Wanna taste some fine carmenère, try the Anakena Reservado.

We bought 24 bottles last week and we're having like a bottle every other day. Be it that some other fine bottles are laying there begging to be dragged up.

And it's got nothing to do with Cal Merlot, I swear.
 
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I strongly recommend the 2001 Concha Y Toro Terrunyo Carmenere. I seek out this varietal and have not yet found one to compare.

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Originally posted by Rik:
And it's got nothing to do with Cal Merlot, I swear.


Rik,
I bought a bottle before I went on vacation. I will be returning tommorow. I will try it and then give you the verdict.
 
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The Concha y Toro '01 Carmenere should be the benchmark for anyone who appreciates this distinctive varietal. Nothing better with authentic KC bar-b-cue.
 
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It was ok. I am sure I will try it again.

I prefer it to Merlot.
 
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I recently posted some TNs on some carmeneres I tasted in London and the Concha Y Toro Terrunyo Carmenere was one of them as I recall.

When it's good, there are few better QPRs than carmenere, but it is very difficult, here in Ontario at least, to find a good one.

It also serves well as a blending grape in small quantities in some of the highest rated Chilean wines.


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- spo1977. Thanks for following my lead. Just"OK", was it?

- Goffredo, would that be the Terrunyo, as mentioned by bman?

- bman, I expect you to be right. But the Terunyo sells here for over 27 euros, whilst the Anakena is around 7 euros...
Anyway, you made me curious, I'll see wether I can lay my hands on a few bottles of CdT Carmenère and compare.
 
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Geez Rik. that's pretty expensive compared to what I recall paying in London, about 10 pounds I think. Check out the Oddbins website to see for sure.


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I don't see it at Oddbins, bman.

Clicking here and there shows prices around 25 to 29 US.
And around € 23,50 for a 1999 somewhere in Germany.

The belgian price may (has to) be subject to serious rebates, I bet.
To be continued.
 
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Sorry, I have lost my anti-dyslectic spectacles somewhere.

The Belgian price is € 20,57.
 
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Perhaps they left the name Terrunyo out of the online title?


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When available in this area the Terrunyo runs $25-$30, but as was mentioned, carmenere is finicky and there is a lot of crap out there. The Terrunyo is the best I have had so far.

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spo1977, I opened a bottle from a new box of six Anakenas.
This one was just OK too.

I must have been lucky with the previous six then, which were great.
 
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