Can anyone spell out the correct way of saying these terms?

Veuve Clicquot Ponsardin
Moet
Roederer

Much thanks!

I say:
"Voov clee ko (long o)"
"Mo-ay"
"Ro-der-er"

the guide at the caves at Moet Chandon told our tour group that Moet is pronounced with a t.

Thx.. I was corrected by people that they were pronounced like so... who is correct?

Veyh-veh Clee Kou Poh-sahr-den
Mo-ehT-eh
Ro-deh-ray

My understanding is that, in Parisian French, a consonant at the end of a word is typically not pronounced. So, "Moet" by itself would be "Mo-eh". However, the proper name of the wine is "Moet et Chandon", which becomes "Mo-et eh Shan-don" (with the last "n" essentially suppressed to conform with the general rule above).

This is a general rule only and there are apparently regional variations particularly in the South e.g. I have been told that it is appropriate to sound the last "s" on "Gigondas".

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I just found this at the Living Wine Dictionary

http://www.stratsplace.com/dict/m_dict.html
http://www.stratsplace.com/dict/d188.wav

What are your thoughts?

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Originally posted by ffrp:
My understanding is that, in Parisian French, a consonant at the end of a word is typically not pronounced. So, "Moet" by itself would be "Mo-eh". However, the proper name of the wine is "Moet et Chandon", which becomes "Mo-et eh Shan-don" (with the last "n" essentially suppressed to conform with the general rule above).

This is a general rule only and there are apparently regional variations particularly in the South e.g. I have been told that it is appropriate to sound the last "s" on "Gigondas".

Two reasons why Moët is pronounced with a 't'.

1. It is followed by 'et'
2. It's a German name (note the umlaut), not French.

Ahh thx Killer!

How about the other names I listed... Is the pronounciation for Veuve Clicquot on spot at the Living Dictionary?

http://www.stratsplace.com/dict/d187.wav

How about Roederer?


One more thing.. how is the ste pronounced in something like Chateau ste Michelle? Is it pronounced like "SahN"

Thanks!

Chateau Ste Michelle is located in Washington state, and all of their folks pronounce "Ste" the American way, "Saint" (saynt).

When it comes to French wineries, they tend to pronounce it as you indicated, sahN.

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Originally posted by KillerB:


Two reasons why Moët is pronounced with a 't'.

1. It is followed by 'et'
2. It's a German name (note the umlaut), not French.

Germans don't ever use an umlaut over an 'e', only a, o and u...at least as far as I'm aware.

French (and other languages) use the two dots not as an umlaut, but what's called a dieresis; indicating that the vowel is to be pronounced separately from the one immediately preceding.

As for how it's pronounced, I don't speak French, but always assumed it was "moe-ay"

Moet et Chandon. Outside of French-speaking countries, it's usually pronounced Mo-ay. In France and at the domaine, it's Mo-ette, like poet.

Doh! Now I'm confused on Moet.. Seems as if there are two camps..

1) Moe-Ay
2) Moe-ehT

Hmmm.

How about the other words?

In 1980 i was at the caves and if I remember correctly the tour guide said that Moet was the brother in law of Chandon and He pronounced Moet like poet.

when i was in the us, some one aske me what i think about "rott-cild"

i needed at least a minute to understand .

rothschild!

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Originally posted by gthom:

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Originally posted by KillerB:


Two reasons why Moët is pronounced with a 't'.

1. It is followed by 'et'
2. It's a German name (note the umlaut), not French.

Germans don't ever use an umlaut over an 'e', only a, o and u...at least as far as I'm aware.

French (and other languages) use the two dots not as an umlaut, but what's called a dieresis; indicating that the vowel is to be pronounced separately from the one immediately preceding.

As for how it's pronounced, I don't speak French, but always assumed it was "moe-ay"

In which case I have to give my lying toad of a brother a good kicking.

Vino Diesel, there should be no confusion. The correct pronunciation sounds the 't' as in poet.

Roederer:
thr oe is pronounced like the o in the word "working" or "word"
The oe is similar to the german umlaut ö.


Greetings from Germany
Axel

Thats the first time I hear about Moet & Chandon and their german roots. Honestly, the french will probably torture you if you tell them.

In german language we have the following "Umlaute":
Ö
Ä
Ü
Nothing more, nothing less.If you want to tipe the Umlaut just use OE, AE or UE.

Beleave me: Moet is truly french. But Krug has german roots eg.

I think that the final word in this should be Freddie Mercury of Queen, who in the song "Killer Queen", pronounced it Moet as in Poet. I'm kinda glad I skipped out of those grade 8 classes

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For what it's worth, I picked up a great book recently: "How to Pronounce French, German and Italian Wine Names". The author is Bellucci.

It covers wine types, regions, producers, etc. I use it all the time.

And what do you know about it? Who the heck are you? Haven't seen you around here forever.

Mike

Totally positive it's as Freddy Mercury sez :
"moo-et" (not a French word)

Not german. Claude Moet was French alright.
I guess the "umlaut" or whatever you want to call it is something very 18th century-ish.
There's no need for it, while the "oe" doesn't exist in French.
There's no dieresis in Citroen either.

You can pronounce the end-t or drop it, there's no real rule.
Further to the south, the French will pronounce almost everything and even add a few consonants here and there.
If you decide not to pronounce the "t" though, don't go the "ay"-way. The end sound does not go up like in "way", it stops at the -èh.
The -ay being so disgustingly anglosaxon...

How Freddy Mercurey, may god rests his soul, becomes a linguisticus all of a sudden seems a bit odd to me. Or the late Bellucci for that matter.

Meanwhile there's no secret about the German influences in Champagne. It's not only Krug. How about Roederer itself, or Heidsick, Bollinger, Taittinger...
And please note that Vranken has flemish roots.

The pronunciation of veuve cliquot on stratsplace.com is clearly done by a french guy, and it's perfect.
Concerning Roederer, 'm not quite sure, I've always pronounced it the german way.
The "oe" is similar to the "ea" in learn, but taken to the front of the mouth. The last "er" in my opinion is pronounced like that in teacher, but the French may want to pronounce it more like "air", I guess.

And finally, about Ste-Michelle.
It's an American winery, so go ahead...

But when it comes to french wineries, keep in mind that Michelle is a girl. Thus: Sainte (Ste for short), closer to the "saynt" but pronounced with a nose cold.

merci beaucoup (mercee buckets, en anglais). great answers.