1998, Chateau Montrose, St Estephe, Bordeaux, France

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Seems like the wine is in the dumb stage and can use a few more years in the bottle.

Serge, are you sure its the wine? Perhaps it was the wine drinker?

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Seems like the wine is in the dumb stage and can use a few more years in the bottle.

Serge, are you sure its the wine? Perhaps it was the wine drinker?

Nope, I am not sure...

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Seems like the wine is in the dumb stage and can use a few more years in the bottle.

Serge, are you sure its the wine? Perhaps it was the wine drinker?

Funny!

Well, at least the WINE has a chance to come around in a few years....

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Seems like the wine is in the dumb stage and can use a few more years in the bottle.

Serge, are you sure its the wine? Perhaps it was the wine drinker?

Funny!

Well, at least the WINE has a chance to come around in a few years....

"To laugh at men of sense is the privilege of fools."

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Seems like the wine . . . can use a few more years in the bottle.

You think?

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"Its more fun to arrive at a conclusion than to justify it".- Malcom Forbes

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"Its more fun to arrive at a conclusion than to justify it".- Malcom Forbes

finally something I can use

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"The man who questions opinion is wise; the man who quarrels with facts is a fool".- Frank A. Garbutt

FACT; (to quote a fellow TWC member)"You are truly an idiot!"

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"The man who questions opinion is wise; the man who quarrels with facts is a fool".- Frank A. Garbutt

FACT; (to quote a fellow TWC member)"You are truly an idiot!"

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serge,

Bordeaux vintage 1998 was not a great vintage for those left bank wines from St Estephe, Pauillac, & Margaux. It was far better for the right bank wines of Pomerol & St Emilion. I would have saved that 1998 Montrose till 2013 or after.

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Any thoughts on the status of 1998 Calon-Ségur & Lafon-Rochet?

Serge, I think your Montrose may have needed a few more years to show its stuffing. Do you have more?

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serge,

Bordeaux vintage 1998 was not a great vintage for those left bank wines from St Estephe, Pauillac, & Margaux. It was far better for the right bank wines of Pomerol & St Emilion. I would have saved that 1998 Montrose till 2013 or after.

alas, you are right. I have lots of 1998 from left bank and so far, only found Leoville Poyferre worth drinking now.
(yes, Roel, from your favorite part, St Juilen!

Roel,
it was a last bottle in the store, so there is a good chance I'll never know how this wine tastes in 2013

Roel,
I also registered at Joe Belmaati's board. No fluff, great TN's and easy to navigate/search.
LMK if you wanna check it out and I'll e-mail you the URL.

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Hi Serge,

Know this Bemati board. Very good & informative!

Yes, Poyferré ROCKS

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NDD

While in Bordeaux in 1999, I had a lot of barrel samples and did not buy any left bank wines as a result. They were far too austere.

However, I would think both the Calon-Segur & the Lafon Rochet would improve with 5 to 8 more years of bottle age. I have tasted the Calon-Segur but not the Lafon Rochet. Also the Pontet-Canet was exceptionally tannic, and I don't think it has enough fruit to outlast the tannins.

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Thanks Latour67,

I placed these St.-Estephe bottles in my 'long-term storage' anyway, so I'll check on them in 2012 or so. Pontet-Canet = tannins, so it always seems. Still hoping for my PC '89s to soften up without loosing fruit...

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While in Bordeaux in 1999, I had a lot of barrel samples and did not buy any left bank wines as a result. They were far too austere.

However, I would think both the Calon-Segur & the Lafon Rochet would improve with 5 to 8 more years of bottle age. I have tasted the Calon-Segur but not the Lafon Rochet. Also the Pontet-Canet was exceptionally tannic, and I don't think it has enough fruit to outlast the tannins.

Lucky you! In 1999 I was copathetic with Chianti Riserva and haven't even looked the other way. "Knowlege is Power" and you got it!

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Still hoping for my PC '89s to soften up without loosing fruit...

try putting it in microwave oven for a few...I heard heat softens tannins

re: Yes, Poyferré ROCKS
Yes Sir!

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Indeed, a great château. Visited it last year and was guided by the oenologe Isabelle Davin herself. Great knowledge, little 'format'

The 2003 will become a monster. The 2002 was very classic and refined and the 2000 was...extremely closed. Try again in 2010...

BTW, if you can't pay Poyferré anymore, Lagrange is a very nice 'poor men's Poyferré'...

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