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Dinner with Otis, Grossie and Purple Haze (Longboarder) last night

I fixed it. When Otis sent me the invite email he said that PurpleHaze was coming to town. I called you by your real name all night and never asked about your handle assuming it was PH. My bad.

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Rolodex error! Sorry about that LB. Definitely was a result of the same first name.

Great to see you last night. I had a blast! Looking forward to doing it again soon!

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Glas to see the Lagrange and Lascombes are showing well. They are pretty good QPR's (as far as Bordeaux is concerned), IMO. Cheers.

I may have to open a sticky this month. My head almost exploded the first time I tried the 2003 Lafaurie-Peyraguey. Tracked it up to late 2010, so it's been awhile. I wonder how she's doing without me?


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2003 Phelan Segur - darkly colored, almost impenetrably so. Aromas of currants and smoke. Creamy entry. Flavors of plums, cherries and an interesting dry vermouth note on the finish. Slightly drying, shortish finish.

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2003 Château D'Aiguilhe - France, Bordeaux, Libournais, Côtes de Castillon (1/19/2013)
PnP at a restaurant. Some earthiness upfront, with plum and currant fruit on a medium body frame and medium minus acidity. The fruit has faded some since my last bottles, but I actually liked it better. Leaves the tannins standing out more with a little bite on the finish, though was softer about 45 min after opening. Given how much the fruit faded in the last 16 mos, I would recommend drinking these soon. (90 pts.)
 
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I opened the Gruaud Larose earlier this week:

Decanted for just over 3 hours before having with grilled filet. Had a quick taste before decanting and noticed a good deal of acidity from light red fruit. Aroma is strawberry, plum, and tobacco. Taste hits with some tart red cherry right off the bat and it's tough to get much else out of it. There is a very slight hint of some cocoa that hits after the mid-palate. I wonder about what is going to happen over time with this tartness. Not too tannic, probably about what you would expect from this at the time.
 
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I opened another Fombrauge. I've gone through a case and a half of it and still have a few bottles. It's a nice wine.


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COMMANDERIE DE BORDEAUX: 2003 LEFT BANK DINNER - Pastis - Vancouver, BC (21/01/2013)

The Vancouver chapter of the Commanderie de Bordeaux assembled at Pastis for their annual horizontal to take a look at the 2003 vintage. This was my first foray into one of these 10 year post-vintage dinners. On this evening we tasted only wines from the left bank, which in general was much more consistent than the Merlot dominated wines from the right bank. While there were definitely a few misses on the night, in general the wines showed quite well and avoided the overripe and pruny characteristics that have been thrown around in regards to this vintage.
Smoked Rabbit, Bacon, Creamy Cabbage, Buckwheat Garganelli
  • 2003 Château Malescot St. Exupéry - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
    Quite expressive on the nose offering a lot of rich blackberry jam and black pepper spice upfront, along with some violet floral aromas, fresh mint, herbs, and a touch of blueberry. Plenty of ripe black cherry comes through on the palate, as well as more black pepper and sweet blackberry, oak, asphalt, and a bit of green pepper. Lots of underlying acidity and gripping tannins. A long length finish ending on notes of rich black cherry and black pepper. There's a bit of heat on the palate but it's not overly distracting. This was on the edge of being too ripe for me, but some time should help this soften and balance out a bit more. Very good -
  • 2003 Château La Tour-Martillac - France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan
    This is pretty green on the nose, showing aromas of black cherry, black pepper, dark plum, mint, kirsch, and some floral notes. Lots of green bean on the palate, along with black cherry, spearmint, black plum, black pepper, and some prune. Moderate acidity with light sandy tannins. Medium length finish ending on notes of kirsch and black pepper. Quite dilute and watery on the palate. My least favorite of the flight, showing overly green and weedy characteristics. Good
  • 2003 Château Haut-Bailly - France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan
    Quite restrained on the nose, giving off aromas of black cherry, asphalt, earth, black plum, and menthol. This moves more to the red side of the fruit spectrum on the palate, showing red cherry, black plum, tar, menthol, and black pepper. Moderate acidity with soft round tannins. Medium finish ending on notes of black cherry and black pepper. Less ripe and much more elegant than many of the others tasted on the evening. Nice balance, but overall lacks any real interest. My favorite of the flight. Very good

Pan Seared Veal Sweetbread, Brasied Veal Short Rib, Pea Puree, Chantrelle Mushrooms
  • 2003 Château Langoa Barton - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
    Great nose offering some nice funk, earth, black cherry, red plum, raspberry, and lots of spicy black pepper. The earthiness follows through to the palate showing rich dark fruits, funk, tar, menthol, black pepper, and a hint of blueberry. Light acid with soft tannins. Medium length finish ending on notes of funk and kirsch. This was quite similar on the nose to the Leoville Barton, yet lighter and less complex on the palate. Overall a nice effort. Very good
  • 2003 Château Léoville Barton - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
    Great nose offering tons of funk and earth, along with aromas of black cherry, graphite, cedar, anise, spicy black pepper, and some light floral notes. Still funky on the palate, along with notes of rich black cherry, barnyard, anise, leather, and lead pencil shavings. Moderate+ acidity with gritty tannins. A long length finish ending on notes of funky kirsch and spicy black pepper. This had improved considerably since I last tasted this in 2011, and has built some nice character as well. While rich and ripe, it's not over the top, possessing nice balance and plenty of structure. I will let my bottles rest for another 5 years at least. My favorite of the flight. Fantastic
  • 2003 Château Haut-Marbuzet - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Estèphe
    Very clean and light on the nose, showing aromas of red cherry, kirsch, mint, black pepper, tart cranberry, and a hint of blueberry. More red cherry comes through on the palate, along with red currants, mint, some light spice, and a touch of blueberry. Moderate acidity and soft tannins. Medium- length finish ending on notes of black cherry and black pepper. Very clean in character with no real interest on the nose nor the palate. Simple and uninspiring, and my least favorite of the flight. Don't get me wrong, there was nothing wrong here, but sometimes that's not enough. Good

Mystery Wine
  • 2003 Château Lagrange (St. Julien) - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
    Quite ripe on the nose, showing rich black cherry, cola, spearmint, and plenty of spicy black pepper. The richness carries through to the palate, offering ripe black cherry, red licorice, candied red cherry, earth, and menthol. High acidity with drying tannins. Medium+ length finish ending on notes of red licorice and candied red cherry. Lots of ripe red fruit on this but quite austere and a drying mouth feel. This was served blind, and while enjoyable didn't show the typical characteristics I look for from St Julien. Very good

Roasted Rack of Lamb, Lamb Tongue Ragout, Root Vegetables, Roquefort Sauce
  • 2003 Château Pichon Longueville Comtesse de Lalande - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
    This was a weird showing for this wine. Tons of candied red cherry on the nose, along with boysenberry, red plum, green bean, and violet floral aromas. More candied red cherry follows through to the palate, as well as asphalt, kirsch, black pepper, and some green notes. Moderate+ acidity with mouth numbing tannins. Medium+ length finish ending on notes of red cherry and kirsch. This was far from exciting, resembling more of a simple, cheap Merlot-dominated right bank Bordeaux. Having tasted this previously I can't rate this showing as I don't think this was a fair representation of what this wine has to offer. Not rated
  • 2003 Château Pontet-Canet - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
    Quite restrained at this time on the nose, showing lead pencil shavings, cedar, rich black cherry, black plum, earth, fresh mint, and spicy black pepper. Lots or red cherry on the palate, along with graphite, cedar, black plum, and leather. High acidity with dusty drying tannins. Medium length finish ending on notes of tart red cherry and lead pencil. This was quite closed and tightly wound, but opened slightly and hinted at it's future after some time in the glass. The palate was more accessible than the nose, showing great balance with plenty of stuffing. At present day the Clerc Milon was the star of the flight, but there's no doubt that this will be the winner with some bottle time. Let these rest another 5 years at least. Fantastic
  • 2003 Château Clerc Milon - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
    Fantastic nose showing plenty of lead pencil, rich black cherry, shoe leather, spicy black pepper, and a hint of funk. More graphite and cedar carries through to the palate, along with black cherry, cigar leaf, anise, and black pepper spice. Moderate+ acidity with drying tannins. A long length finish ending on notes of red cherry and lead pencil. This is in a great spot right now, and showed best of the night for present day consumption. Nice velvety texture and quite round on the palate. Rich, but not overly ripe. A great effort for the vintage. Very good+

Pineapple Financier, Honey Yogurt Mousse
  • 2003 Château Doisy-Daëne - France, Bordeaux, Sauternais, Sauternes
    Incredibly ripe and sweet on the nose showing aromas of pear, icing sugar, apricot, baked red apples, and honey. Tons of gingerbread spice on the palate, along with more icing sugar, baked red apples, and a note of burnt caramel. Low acidity, with a medium length finish ending on notes of oxidized red apple and burnt caramel. This was overly sweet and soft on the palate and was in dire need of some acidity to help bring this into balance. While not bad, this wasn't exciting in the least and lacked the complexity that this usually offers in cooler vintages. Good

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Opened my last 2003, a bottle of Fombrauge. Sure glad I held on to that for about 6 years. What a rewarding experience. Roll Eyes
 
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We had a 2003 Faugeres on Friday night. Very modern styled, nice nose but a bit muted on the finish.
 
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Posted a note on the Talbot. Nice. Ready.


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Thanks for the notes VCW- great stuff.


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2003 Cos D'Estrounel

decanted 30 minutes prior to drinking.

The nose is quite nice.

Full fruity, blueberry jam mixed with some cinnamon spices.

The taste unforutnately didn't follow,
tastes of squid ink, wet tobacco and some hidden red fruit.

The swirl around in the glass helped coax some currants out but not much.

The wine felt shut down unfortunately.


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I also opened a Lascombes over the Christmas Holiday and this was drinking quite well for a Cali Cab Smile....I dont think it will improve much but should be fine for 5-7 more years IMO

I have several 03's....not my favorite 'style' of bordeaux but it satisfies a craving periodically.


In front of me tonight is 2003 Lascombes. While I agree there is a new world opulence to it, there's no way it can be confused for a California cab. The nose is still youthful and restrained, but there is a nice waft of Margaux perfume there. The palate shows somewhat restrained cassis with a rich vein of minerality, and plush tannins on a lingering finish. This wine is in a great place right now. 94 for me.

Earlier this evening, we had the '03 Carbonnieux blanc. This is also in a beautiful place right now. 93 for me


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Earlier this evening, we had the '03 Carbonnieux blanc. This is also in a beautiful place right now. 93 for me


I wish I had more of that. I drank all mine.


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Earlier this evening, we had the '03 Carbonnieux blanc. This is also in a beautiful place right now. 93 for me


I wish I had more of that. I drank all mine.


This was really nice as a young wine, so I don't blame you at all. My notes show that it went through a disjointed phase for a while, but it is really singing tonight.


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Earlier this evening, we had the '03 Carbonnieux blanc. This is also in a beautiful place right now. 93 for me


I wish I had more of that. I drank all mine.


This was really nice as a young wine, so I don't blame you at all. My notes show that it went through a disjointed phase for a while, but it is really singing tonight.


I have notes from '08, '09, and '10 and liked it throughout its drinking life (at least when I was drinking it). I should just make it a habit to grab a few bottles every vintage in hopes of letting some of them age.


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I also opened a Lascombes over the Christmas Holiday and this was drinking quite well for a Cali Cab Smile....I dont think it will improve much but should be fine for 5-7 more years IMO

I have several 03's....not my favorite 'style' of bordeaux but it satisfies a craving periodically.


In front of me tonight is 2003 Lascombes. While I agree there is a new world opulence to it, there's no way it can be confused for a California cab. The nose is still youthful and restrained, but there is a nice waft of Margaux perfume there. The palate shows somewhat restrained cassis with a rich vein of minerality, and plush tannins on a lingering finish. This wine is in a great place right now. 94 for me.


We had the 2003 Lascombes in the past week and I agree with you tasting note. However, I think this has a lot more to offer and would rate it 90-91 now with significant upside in 3-5 years. It's well balanced, but the dark fruit comes across as a solid block of fruit and is just not giving the secondary and tertiary notes I would expect.
 
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Had a few bottles of 03 Ormes de Pez, Ste Estephe cru bourgeois last night. I am down to last couple of bottles from the case. These are pleasant soft and fruity, with definitive wet earth notes, integrated tannins and a pleasant finish. This isn't getting any better, time to drink up. I would say about 86 pts.

Would agree with the prediction on Pontet Canet, really not anywhere near ready yet.

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I also opened a Lascombes over the Christmas Holiday and this was drinking quite well for a Cali Cab Smile....I dont think it will improve much but should be fine for 5-7 more years IMO

I have several 03's....not my favorite 'style' of bordeaux but it satisfies a craving periodically.


In front of me tonight is 2003 Lascombes. While I agree there is a new world opulence to it, there's no way it can be confused for a California cab. The nose is still youthful and restrained, but there is a nice waft of Margaux perfume there. The palate shows somewhat restrained cassis with a rich vein of minerality, and plush tannins on a lingering finish. This wine is in a great place right now. 94 for me.

Earlier this evening, we had the '03 Carbonnieux blanc. This is also in a beautiful place right now. 93 for me



Fair enough...but I disagree. Compare this vintage to a vintage like 2000 or 2005 and tell me there isnt a significant difference. I am not terribly experienced with Cali Cabs because I just dont like them very much, but this bottle and alot of the 03's remind me of them.

The 03' Lascombes was a nice wine, and I have a 6 pack of them, but just not my style.

And I will be shocked if it improves a great deal....I hope Im wrong!


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I don't have any 2000 Lascombes, so I can't comment on that. The estate was bought between the 2000 and 2003 vintages, and the winemaking team (and the facilities?) were completely overhauled. I believe Michel Rolland and/or Stephane Derenencourt or one of those "celebrity" winemakers was brought in for consultation. This would explain a huge difference between 2000 and 2003, over and above the weather conditions. I suspect the term "Parkerized" applies to this estate as much as anything in the Medoc, so I can understand your point. Be that as it may, I still think I could pick this as a Margaux if put into a blind lineup with other Bdx and New World Cabs.

As for the 2005 vintage, I haven't opened any yet, but the elements I mentioned above were still in play for '05, so I would be more surprised if there was a significant change in style. I will say that the '03 and '04 are surprisingly similar.


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I don't have any 2000 Lascombes, so I can't comment on that. The estate was bought between the 2000 and 2003 vintages, and the winemaking team (and the facilities?) were completely overhauled. I believe Michel Rolland and/or Stephane Derenencourt or one of those "celebrity" winemakers was brought in for consultation. This would explain a huge difference between 2000 and 2003, over and above the weather conditions. I suspect the term "Parkerized" applies to this estate as much as anything in the Medoc, so I can understand your point. Be that as it may, I still think I could pick this as a Margaux if put into a blind lineup with other Bdx and New World Cabs.

As for the 2005 vintage, I haven't opened any yet, but the elements I mentioned above were still in play for '05, so I would be more surprised if there was a significant change in style. I will say that the '03 and '04 are surprisingly similar.



You are much better taster than me if you could pick that up as Bordeaux in a blind tasting. Id have a tough time with most 03's.

I like the 04' better than the 03'....more bordeaux like for me. I tasted the 05' on release and it blows both out of the water IMO, and is slightly less "parkerized" and more typical to me. I think if you like the 03' you should love the 05'.

I love the floral component of typical Margaux wines as well....but I didnt pick up much of it in the 03' Lascombes, but can appreicate it in the 04' and 05'. I also got some oak in the 03' which wasnt present in the 04 or 05'.

If you enjoy the floral aspect of Margaux, try a 04' Malescot, classic Margaux nose.


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I don't have any 2000 Lascombes, so I can't comment on that. The estate was bought between the 2000 and 2003 vintages, and the winemaking team (and the facilities?) were completely overhauled. I believe Michel Rolland and/or Stephane Derenencourt or one of those "celebrity" winemakers was brought in for consultation. This would explain a huge difference between 2000 and 2003, over and above the weather conditions. I suspect the term "Parkerized" applies to this estate as much as anything in the Medoc, so I can understand your point. Be that as it may, I still think I could pick this as a Margaux if put into a blind lineup with other Bdx and New World Cabs.

As for the 2005 vintage, I haven't opened any yet, but the elements I mentioned above were still in play for '05, so I would be more surprised if there was a significant change in style. I will say that the '03 and '04 are surprisingly similar.



You are much better taster than me if you could pick that up as Bordeaux in a blind tasting. Id have a tough time with most 03's.

I like the 04' better than the 03'....more bordeaux like for me. I tasted the 05' on release and it blows both out of the water IMO, and is slightly less "parkerized" and more typical to me. I think if you like the 03' you should love the 05'.


I assure you that in a blind tasting and you were to line up a bunch of 04 cabs and a bunch of 03 bordeauxs that there are definitely members of this board who can easily pick out bdx or napa. It wouldn't even be a question about it.

The ones I have trouble picking out or some of the super tuscans from bdxs but napa to bdx is pretty much still night and day regardless of "parkerization" or not.


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