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Sounds like the classic dumb phase to me when the wine is just disjointed. Often the fruit will shut down and your tasting note reflects this to me. I have seen wines when dumb only showing one grape on the palate, and often it could be the Cab Franc even if less than 10% of the final blend.

Give the wine time.

I have no doubts in what you are saying and am not trying to stir anything up but out of curiosity, you would require some expected belief about the profile of the wine to assert that it is in a dumb phase right? If so, then a natural consequence is that any blind evaluation of a wine will be an an unfair assessment. Quite interesting.

WEc, not positive on what you are saying, but will try to respond.

Your quote, " would require some expected belief about the profile"

Not really. If the wine looks young in appearance, smells like a Bordeaux, shows no traces of TCA, but is void of fruit which would be expected in any younger wine regardless, then thinking it may be closed or dumb is a natural assessment... right?

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by WEc:

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Originally posted by wine+art:
Sounds like the classic dumb phase to me when the wine is just disjointed. Often the fruit will shut down and your tasting note reflects this to me. I have seen wines when dumb only showing one grape on the palate, and often it could be the Cab Franc even if less than 10% of the final blend.

Give the wine time.

I have no doubts in what you are saying and am not trying to stir anything up but out of curiosity, you would require some expected belief about the profile of the wine to assert that it is in a dumb phase right? If so, then a natural consequence is that any blind evaluation of a wine will be an an unfair assessment. Quite interesting.

WEc, not positive on what you are saying, but will try to respond.

Your quote, " would require some expected belief about the profile"

Not really. If the wine looks young in appearance, smells like a Bordeaux, shows no traces of TCA, but is void of fruit which would be expected in any younger wine regardless, then thinking it may be closed or dumb is a natural assessment... right?

Did I answer your question?

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Originally posted by WEc:

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by WEc:

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Originally posted by wine+art:
Sounds like the classic dumb phase to me when the wine is just disjointed. Often the fruit will shut down and your tasting note reflects this to me. I have seen wines when dumb only showing one grape on the palate, and often it could be the Cab Franc even if less than 10% of the final blend.

Give the wine time.

I have no doubts in what you are saying and am not trying to stir anything up but out of curiosity, you would require some expected belief about the profile of the wine to assert that it is in a dumb phase right? If so, then a natural consequence is that any blind evaluation of a wine will be an an unfair assessment. Quite interesting.

WEc, not positive on what you are saying, but will try to respond.

Your quote, " would require some expected belief about the profile"

Not really. If the wine looks young in appearance, smells like a Bordeaux, shows no traces of TCA, but is void of fruit which would be expected in any younger wine regardless, then thinking it may be closed or dumb is a natural assessment... right?

Did I answer your question?

Thanks. Yes and No.

When I read the brief TN that mwg provided on the Lafon Rochet it immediately reminded me of Ontario Reds. And this is precisely why I have disliked reds from the Niagara region. So was I being presumptuous or could it be that the wine is in a dumb phase? At what point do you draw the line?

Cheers!

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Do Ontario wines smell like Bordeaux, look like Bordeaux or have the weight of Bordeaux?

I have never had a wine from Canada with the exception of off dry, so really do not know.

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Sure it smells like a Bordeaux. It sure does not smell like a Burgundy!

Are the weight and color the same on all Bordeaux wines, no, but many. Not really the point here, but not sure what is now except you have become obtuse.